Is it time for a 3rd party?

[Yehuda57]

Source? Pretty sure this is not true.

https://www.chandralaw.com/faqs/if-a-president-of-the-united-states-is-impeached-by-the-house-and-convicted-by-the-senate-can-that-now-former-president-run-for-and-become-president-again

[AsherO]

I wouldn’t be surprised if trump breaks away from the Republican Party and makes his own. Would be interesting if he does it now while still president.   
I wonder how that would change politics in America. It wouldn’t necessarily mean that the Dems would automatically win everything, because I can see many centrist Democrats moving over to a more moderate Republican Party. I could even see the Democrat party splitting into 2 if that happens.
Do you think it’s more likely now than any time in recent history?

Beat you to it:

Is it a possible scenario that the GOP will block Trump from running in the R primaries so he’ll run as independent and hand the 2024 presidency to the Ds?

[Jellybelly]

Beat you to it:

I think it’s gonna happen much sooner than the primaries and it’s gonna come from Trump and not the Republicans. I’m just curious if any elected politicians would join, or would they be risking too much

[aygart]

Why not? Pennsylvania wasn’t playing by the rules. Only state legislature can change election law. Not the governor not the Secretary of State and not the state Supreme Court. This happened in a few states

But how does Texas have the right to litigate that

[Jellybelly]

But how does Texas have the right to litigate that

I think they refiled the lawsuit. Maybe the state legislature tried suing.
The court agreed to hear it Jan 22!
Just watch them dismiss it saying it’s not relevant any more

[PlatinumGuy]

Not going to happen

You probably thought so about Biden winning and then again about GA dems winning. Likely also thought Covid was gone several times over.

[whYME]

But how does Texas have the right to litigate that

The argument is because their voters are disenfranchised by (having their votes essentially nullified by) "cheating" in other States.

[yitzgar]

You probably thought so about Biden winning and then again about GA dems winning. Likely also thought Covid was gone several times over.

Thank you for making baseless assumptions about me

[Yehuda57]

You probably thought so about Biden winning and then again about GA dems winning. Likely also thought Covid was gone several times over.

You probably think the moon landing wasn't real, or that Yigal Amir shot Rabin, or that cholent is better without meat.

[Deal Guy]

Is there room for a third party that is populist and gives out money like Democrats, yet when it comes to issues like abortion, school choice, freedom of religion, they break with Democrats?
I wonder what percent of the nation would go with that?

I don't believe that all Democrats, are for all the liberal policies, but given the choice between helping corporations vs the little guys, it forces them to vote Democratic by default.

[PlatinumGuy]

Is there room for a third party that is populist and gives out money like Democrats, yet when it comes to issues like abortion, school choice, freedom of religion, they break with Democrats?
I wonder what percent of the nation would go with that?

I don't believe that all Democrats, are for all the liberal policies, but given the choice between helping corporations vs the little guys, it forces them to vote Democratic by default.

You can’t get off the ground by promoting handouts. The donors hate it.

Liberal policies are far more popular in America than handouts anyways

[Jellybelly]

Is there room for a third party that is populist and gives out money like Democrats, yet when it comes to issues like abortion, school choice, freedom of religion, they break with Democrats?
I wonder what percent of the nation would go with that?

I don't believe that all Democrats, are for all the liberal policies, but given the choice between helping corporations vs the little guys, it forces them to vote Democratic by default.

That’s why I think, if there is a new Conservative party, a log of centrist Democrats would move to a moderate Republican Party.

[Deal Guy]

I think over 50% of the country is poor/ lower middle class.
Therefore they will cling to a party that gives handouts, no matter what. Therefore, if you make 2 conservative parties, the Dems will always win.

[PlatinumGuy]

I think over 50% of the country is poor/ lower middle class.
Therefore they will cling to a party that gives handouts, no matter what. Therefore, if you make 2 conservative parties, the Dems will always win.

The issue is that even poor Americans vote for less taxes and less handouts. Republican voters are poorer than democrat. I see more demand for a socially liberal and economically conservative party, which is what I think the GOP will morph into.

[aygart]

The issue is that even poor Americans vote for less taxes and less handouts. Republican voters are poorer than democrat. I see more demand for a socially liberal and economically conservative party, which is what I think the GOP will morph into.

I would change that to socially libertarian.

[PlatinumGuy]

I would change that to socially libertarian.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Republicans consider social libertarians liberals.

In essence the vast majority of America believe in libertarian values both socially and economically.

[aygart]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Republicans consider social libertarians liberals.

In essence the vast majority of America believe in libertarian values both socially and economically.

No you have that wrong. Forcing people to accommodate to every whim of favored groups is not libertarian at all.

[PlatinumGuy]

No you have that wrong. Forcing people to accommodate to every whim of favored groups is not libertarian at all.

I agree. When I wrote most of the country is socially liberal I didn’t mean they support extremist policing of accommodating minorities. They support liberty from the government enforcing Judeo/Christian Republican morals like straight marriage, abortions, and to a lesser extent prostitution.

I used the wrong term to explain myself in the first post, but I agree with you and meant to say what you said.

[aygart]

I agree. When I wrote most of the country is socially liberal I didn’t mean they support extremist policing of accommodating minorities. They support liberty from the government enforcing Judeo/Christian Republican morals like straight marriage, abortions, and to a lesser extent prostitution.

I used the wrong term to explain myself in the first post, but I agree with you and meant to say what you said.

I don't think that most Republicans consider social libertarians to be liberal. Probably about the same amount as the democrats who consider social libertarians conservative. Abortion is not a good test though since of one considers it to be murder that is not a libertarian stance.

[PlatinumGuy]

Probably about the same amount as the democrats who consider social libertarians conservative.

I disagree, I think 80%++ of democrats are comfortable with the government not having a role in social questions at all, not prohibiting, not proactively accommodating, and not promoting

It would be interesting to find out which one of us is right