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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #144 on: January 15, 2021, 01:06:10 PM »
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #146 on: January 15, 2021, 04:46:07 PM »
Either way, it's evidence of the incredible power the tech companies wield. We should think long and hard how to reign that in.

I think the answer is to consider big tech companies as utilities and regulate them as such. It will be subjective as to what big tech companies should he considered utilities, but I think itís easy enough to say that Google/Apple/Facebook/Amazon are all easily viewed as utilities and just as important as a phone utility. When a internet backbone such as AWS can deplatform a business arbitrarily we have a major issue.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #147 on: January 16, 2021, 09:09:21 PM »
I think the answer is to consider big tech companies as utilities and regulate them as such. It will be subjective as to what big tech companies should he considered utilities, but I think itís easy enough to say that Google/Apple/Facebook/Amazon are all easily viewed as utilities and just as important as a phone utility. When a internet backbone such as AWS can deplatform a business arbitrarily we have a major issue.
Are you sure you'd rather have the government police speech?
Google/Facebook/Apple may have an audience that isn't accessible without them, but AWS isn't an internet backbone - there are many peers who do the exact same thing, and they do little more than you can accomplish with your own servers for a higher price.
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #148 on: January 16, 2021, 09:20:59 PM »
Are you sure you'd rather have the government police speech?
Google/Facebook/Apple may have an audience that isn't accessible without them, but AWS isn't an internet backbone - there are many peers who do the exact same thing, and they do little more than you can accomplish with your own servers for a higher price.

If you use AWS-specific services using their APIs etc, you canít just port your servers to a different host, you have to rewrite (perhaps even re-engineer) your code to adapt it to whatever youíre moving to.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #149 on: January 16, 2021, 09:23:00 PM »
If you use AWS-specific services using their APIs etc, you canít just port your servers to a different host, you have to rewrite (perhaps even re-engineer) your code to adapt it to whatever youíre moving to.
Didn't parlor say they were prepared for this day
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #150 on: January 16, 2021, 09:30:35 PM »
Didn't parlor say they were prepared for this day
Amazon wasn't the only company that wouldn't take them. None of the competitors wanted Parler either.
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #151 on: January 16, 2021, 09:35:35 PM »
Are you sure you'd rather have the government police speech?
Google/Facebook/Apple may have an audience that isn't accessible without them, but AWS isn't an internet backbone - there are many peers who do the exact same thing, and they do little more than you can accomplish with your own servers for a higher price.

Just the opposite, I want them to ensure that utilities such as Google and Amazon aren't preventing free speech. My phone service provider cannot ban me for things I say on the phone, and neither should Google, Facebook, and Amazon. Right now the 1st amendment is essentially worthless as private companies control nearly all forms of communication.

AWS is an internet backbone, when it goes down you can see site outages across the internet. Even sites not hosted on AWS have apps, databases, or other services hosted on AWS. For Amazon to arbitrarily ban websites to prevent freedom of speech, with no warning or time to move over to a new platform, I believe this should be regulated. These site also write code specifically for AWS, and can cost millions in development to rewrite, never mind millions in lost revenue.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #152 on: January 16, 2021, 09:44:19 PM »
Just the opposite, I want them to ensure that utilities such as Google and Amazon aren't preventing free speech.
That means deciding what is free speech, and what isn't free speech  ::)
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #153 on: January 16, 2021, 09:48:09 PM »
That means deciding what is free speech, and what isn't free speech  ::)

Everything is free speech. But just because speech is free doesn't mean it can't be violating a different law. Right now it pretty clear that private companies are banning completely legal free speech and it's a big issue that has to be figured out. I'd rather have a law that errs on the side of free speech - onus is on the banning party to justify the ban - than the atrocity we have now.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #154 on: January 16, 2021, 10:22:53 PM »
Everything is free speech. But just because speech is free doesn't mean it can't be violating a different law. Right now it pretty clear that private companies are banning completely legal free speech and it's a big issue that has to be figured out

Pornography, violence, glorifying violence, self harm, are all legal. Even terrorism to a certain extent. Do you not want them to be removed? Do you want the government to make the decision whether or not they fall into that category?
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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #155 on: January 16, 2021, 11:35:48 PM »
Didn't parlor say they were prepared for this day

I was discussing what seems like a general point and making a distinction, not specifically talking about Parler.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #156 on: January 17, 2021, 12:01:48 AM »
Pornography, violence, glorifying violence, self harm, are all legal. Even terrorism to a certain extent. Do you not want them to be removed? Do you want the government to make the decision whether or not they fall into that category?

I might prefer it. Allow companies to censor those things. All that and a whole lot more is already being censored, can't get any worse by limiting their censorship abilities.

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #157 on: January 17, 2021, 12:14:51 PM »

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2021, 07:21:37 PM »

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Now where is the fuller story?

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Re: Twitter bans sitting President
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2021, 10:57:56 PM »
Rumor has it that Parler is live.