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R.I.P. Freedom
« on: January 09, 2021, 09:40:21 PM »
You were good while you lasted. You will be dearly missed :'(

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2021, 10:43:17 PM »
You were good while you lasted. You will be dearly missed :'(

Okay relax. Everything will be okay. Just stop following the news and you will be fine.

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2021, 10:48:08 PM »
Okay relax. Everything will be okay. Just stop following the news and you will be fine.
Precisely what someone told me back in March.

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2021, 10:56:09 PM »
Okay relax. Everything will be okay. Just stop following the news and you will be fine.
I used to say the same...

Current situation is extremely alarming.


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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2021, 11:05:01 PM »
Okay relax. Everything will be okay. Just stop following the news and you will be fine.
I would seek to stop following the news but it's too late now. The news already stopped allowing me to follow it.

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2021, 11:08:57 PM »
If freedom depended on a couple of tech companies then it was gone long ago.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2021, 11:27:40 PM »
If freedom depended on a couple of tech companies then it was gone long ago.

I see this as one of their biggest (and most alarming) flexes yet. Can you name the ones you think are bigger?
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2021, 11:30:56 PM »
I see this as one of their biggest (and most alarming) flexes yet. Can you name the ones you think are bigger?
I don't disagree, but if it dependent on their whim then it was gone long ago
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2021, 11:31:55 PM »
I would seek to stop following the news but it's too late now. The news already stopped allowing me to unfollow it.
ftfy :)
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2021, 11:32:01 PM »
I would seek to stop following the news but it's too late now. The news already stopped allowing me to follow it.
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2021, 12:39:19 AM »
If freedom depended on a couple of tech companies then it was gone long ago.
It was much worse when it depended on a couple of cable news networks. Trump only got to office because new tech companies enabled him to bypass the traditional gate keepers.
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2021, 12:44:25 AM »
ftfy :)
Thankfully, on DDF, when the boss decides to "FTFY," he doesn't actually FTFY. On Twitter however...

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2021, 12:50:27 AM »
It was much worse when it depended on a couple of cable news networks. Trump only got to office because new tech companies enabled him to bypass the traditional gate keepers.
The ability to bypass them meant it never really depended on them in the first place
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2021, 12:54:00 AM »
The ability to bypass them meant it never really depended on them in the first place
I agree, my point is the cable companies had significant influence which has since diminished by big tech. Trump remains free to open his own social network and broadcast his message, which is a whole lot easier today than ever in history.

The real problem with big tech IMO  is micro targeting, it is too easy to manipulate people.
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2021, 01:00:17 AM »
I agree, my point is the cable companies had significant influence which has since diminished by big tech. Trump remains free to open his own social network and broadcast his message, which is a whole lot easier today than ever in history.

The real problem with big tech IMO  is micro targeting, it is too easy to manipulate people.

Do you agree that platforms should not be allowed to simultaneously take advantage of section 230 by claiming neutrality, yet censor users and applications that do not conform with their views?

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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2021, 01:02:48 AM »
Do you agree that platforms should not be allowed to simultaneously take advantage of section 230 by claiming neutrality, yet censor users and applications that do not conform with their views?
Does 230 really require neutrality?
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2021, 01:05:39 AM »
Do you agree that platforms should not be allowed to simultaneously take advantage of section 230 by claiming neutrality, yet censor users and applications that do not conform with their views?
I agree more government regulation is required. I'm not educated on the specifics of section 230 and don't care about it, but I don't believe repealing it alone is a serious policy option. There is no fundamental constitutional freedom of speech issue involved either way.
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2021, 01:35:50 AM »
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml
Just read it, very interesting. Thank you.
Do you agree that platforms should not be allowed to simultaneously take advantage of section 230 by claiming neutrality, yet censor users and applications that do not conform with their views?
According to current law they are very clearly allowed to censure and remove whatever they want without any justification, and still enjoy the immunity privileges of section 230. The publisher concept is apparently a myth. HT @Euclid
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