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Second dose side effects
« on: January 13, 2021, 03:05:52 AM »
Speaking to a few people I know, who have personally gotten the second dose (Doctors/nurses) 100% of them have said the side effects are extreme after the second dose. Including fever/headaches/severe muscle pain. Has anyone else heard about this? Was this info released from Pfizer?

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2021, 03:07:42 AM »
From what I saw in the Israeli media the impact was more severe, e.g. MK Gafni fainted today, but I didn't notice reports as dramatic as yours.
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 03:17:34 AM »
From what I saw in the Israeli media the impact was more severe, e.g. MK Gafni fainted today, but I didn't notice reports as dramatic as yours.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r1B7ymjCv

Seems it was not true about Gafni

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2021, 03:19:59 AM »
I thought he fainted and Bibbi mistakenly thought it was a heart attack, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2021, 04:20:29 AM »
Now being reported by the news

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/294830

I followed up with those that had it and BH it was a horrible 24 hour situation, but they are doing much better now.

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2021, 04:26:30 AM »
Speaking to a few people I know, who have personally gotten the second dose (Doctors/nurses) 100% of them have said the side effects are extreme after the second dose. Including fever/headaches/severe muscle pain. Has anyone else heard about this? Was this info released from Pfizer?
Yes, this was mentioned in the announcement back in December.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
The most commonly reported side effects, which typically lasted several days, were pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever. Of note, more people experienced these side effects after the second dose than after the first dose, so it is important for vaccination providers and recipients to expect that there may be some side effects after either dose, but even more so after the second dose.

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2021, 06:20:21 AM »
Yes, this was mentioned in the announcement back in December.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
The most commonly reported side effects, which typically lasted several days, were pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever. Of note, more people experienced these side effects after the second dose than after the first dose, so it is important for vaccination providers and recipients to expect that there may be some side effects after either dose, but even more so after the second dose.
I seem to remember reading that about 80% experienced side effects after the second dose

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2021, 09:18:41 AM »
Yes, this was mentioned in the announcement back in December.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
The most commonly reported side effects, which typically lasted several days, were pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever. Of note, more people experienced these side effects after the second dose than after the first dose, so it is important for vaccination providers and recipients to expect that there may be some side effects after either dose, but even more so after the second dose.
Side effect after the first dose were worse for people who already had Covid

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2021, 10:53:10 AM »
Side effect after the first dose were worse for people who already had Covid
If so, maybe those that already had covid, should suffice with just 1 shot?

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 10:55:06 AM »
Side effect after the first dose were worse for people who already had Covid
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 11:24:42 AM »
If so, maybe those that already had covid, should suffice with just 1 shot?
Likely but not tested
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 11:56:01 AM »
my Feedback from those who got vaccinated
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 12:04:54 PM »
My cousins had this form for their second dose, I'm not sure if they had it for their first as well. CMIIW, but I don't believe Pfeizer reported this side effect in any studies #wakeupsheeple

https://twitter.com/Squilled/status/1349357318325071873

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 01:13:37 PM »
What's with this 2nd time? Whether getting covid twice or 2 shots, or covid + shot -all reporting symptoms are worse...

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 02:32:45 PM »
What's with this 2nd time? Whether getting covid twice or 2 shots, or covid + shot -all reporting symptoms are worse...
Among the 33 confirmed reinfections, the second case was more intense or more serious for 12, milder or less intense for 4, and either no difference or no data for the rest.  Too few data to draw detailed conclusions, but at least we can say it's not necessarily worse the second time.
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/

Re: 2 shots, the general answer being given for why symptoms are worse the second time is something like "your immune system is being stimulated to work harder".  I don't know what that means biologically, but it's apparently not unexpected, and had been known to occur with other vaccines when a second booster dose is given.

Some first-person reports in the news have said that although their symptoms were worse the second time, they disappeared after 1-2 days, so they're recommending that people who don't want their symptoms to affect their work life should schedule the second dose for the weekend.

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2021, 01:57:45 PM »
so they're recommending that people who don't want their symptoms to affect their work life should schedule the second dose for the weekend.
IINM the Shu"a discusses similar scenarios which may be significant Kavod Shabbos issues.
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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2021, 02:23:26 PM »
IINM the Shu"a discusses similar scenarios which may be significant Kavod Shabbos issues.
Indeed. M"A end of
שכ"ח. רוחצין כו'. אין רוחצין במים שמשלשלים ולא בטיט שטובעין בו וכו' מפני שכל אלו צער הם וכתיב וקראת לשבת עונג עכ"ל רמב"ם פכ"א וכ"כ הסמ"ג ואם כן אסור לשתות משקה המשלשל דאין לך צער גדול מזה ועמ"ש סל"ז וסמ"ב ונ"ל דמקום שאין דרך לרחוץ בחמי טבריא אלא לרפואה אסור בשבת:


https://www.sefaria.org/Magen_Avraham.328.49

Unless you mean the Simen about going out on a journey according to the Rishonim who hold the reason is because of people would still be sea sick on Shabbos.

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2021, 02:28:02 PM »
Indeed. M"A end of
שכ"ח. רוחצין כו'. אין רוחצין במים שמשלשלים ולא בטיט שטובעין בו וכו' מפני שכל אלו צער הם וכתיב וקראת לשבת עונג עכ"ל רמב"ם פכ"א וכ"כ הסמ"ג ואם כן אסור לשתות משקה המשלשל דאין לך צער גדול מזה ועמ"ש סל"ז וסמ"ב ונ"ל דמקום שאין דרך לרחוץ בחמי טבריא אלא לרפואה אסור בשבת:


https://www.sefaria.org/Magen_Avraham.328.49

Unless you mean the Simen about going out on a journey according to the Rishonim who hold the reason is because of people would still be sea sick on Shabbos.
Yeah, I was thinking more of this but your example is more similar

https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/שולחן_ערוך_אורח_חיים_רמח_ב

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2021, 06:13:22 PM »
The rebbe raised the point that elective surgeries should be scheduled for the 1st half week

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Re: Second dose side effects
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2021, 07:05:39 PM »
i had covid back in march.
mild fever after 1st moderna dose.
mild fever, aches, fatigue after second dose. worse than first