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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2021, 11:58:19 AM »
While en route to Florida, Trump gave a full pardon to Albert Pirro, the former husband of Fox News host judge Jeanine Pirro; he was convicted of conspiracy & tax evasion in 2000.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2021, 12:58:12 PM »
President Trump does not issue pardons for himself or his family or Rudy Giuliani senior administration official tells Reuters.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2021, 12:13:55 AM »
A frum yid in prison (not weiss or silver) has 2 children in Israel that just flew back to America....
Eli Weinstein. The reason I didn't mention his name is because I didn't want him to get Shelly Silvered. והמבין יבין
Not that I think The NYT reads DDF, but you never know...
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2021, 02:58:51 AM »




Why would Trump help Menendez's friend, when Menendez was not a friend of Trump?

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2021, 03:57:43 AM »
Why would Trump help Menendez's friend, when Menendez was not a friend of Trump?
Perhaps the pardon was not because of Menendez, but his name is still cited, so that Dems can’t scream at Trump for it.

Generally, most pardons need bipartisan support to be considered so that it can’t become a partisan attack. Thought Trump didn’t seem to mind much at this point.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2021, 08:37:49 AM »
In short its supposed to act as a check on prosecutors who are almost always overzealous at best. 

Also a way to give ppl that have rehabilitated a back into society.

These are reasons that are certainly important, but someone shouldn’t need a direct line to the president to get a pardon. Nor should they need to wait for the end of the presidents tenure for the majority of the injustices to be corrected. It’s way too arbitrary and limited to work as a effective check on prosecutors, nor does it reflect poorly on them.

There should be a system beneath the president that should be able to consider pardoning certain types of sentences, and it should be available to the masses. Then the president can take care of the rest.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2021, 08:52:02 AM »
These are reasons that are certainly important, but someone shouldn’t need a direct line to the president to get a pardon. Nor should they need to wait for the end of the presidents tenure for the majority of the injustices to be corrected. It’s way too arbitrary and limited to work as a effective check on prosecutors, nor does it reflect poorly on them.

There should be a system beneath the president that should be able to consider pardoning certain types of sentences, and it should be available to the masses. Then the president can take care of the rest.

There are all kinds of legal means to appeal, appeal to a higher court, get another trial, etc.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2021, 08:58:17 AM »
There are all kinds of legal means to appeal, appeal to a higher court, get another trial, etc.

Those are not similar at all to a presidential pardon. I’m proposing an independent system that grants or rejects pardons, nothing else.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2021, 08:58:37 AM »
There are all kinds of legal means to appeal, appeal to a higher court, get another trial, etc.
You can also ask for a presidential pardon

https://www.justice.gov/pardon

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2021, 09:05:55 AM »
I hate the Asbury Park Press, how they always twist everything against the Jewish community.

"'I'm disgusted': AG Grewal rips Trump clemency for Lakewood's Eliyahu Weinstein" is the headline on a "subscriber exclusive" story.

The AG has ripped every silly thing that Trump has ever done, and has filed so many lawsuits against him that I lost track. But the APP headline makes it sound like THIS is the thing that Trump did that is just nuts.

The article also mentions that it was AG Grewal who prosecuted him as a federal crime official before he became AG. But it leaves out that prosecutorial mismanagement is the primary reason for the pardon efforts.

Last thing: why is this piece "subscriber exclusive" while the piece on Gilmore's pardon is not. Are they banking the fact that people will pay money to read dirt about Lakewood but not about a political guy?

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2021, 09:10:00 AM »
There are all kinds of legal means to appeal, appeal to a higher court, get another trial, etc.

That would require spending an additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers on top of what already was spent, and going through a full blown court system full of prosecutors and judges that don’t necessarily want to step on each other’s toes. Just have a review board to analyze the sentence and see if enough time was served. That’s it. And in case of bad human judgement, I’d rather let 1 criminal get out a bit early than 10 remain in prison too long.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2021, 09:20:28 AM »
I hate the Asbury Park Press, how they always twist everything against the Jewish community.

"'I'm disgusted': AG Grewal rips Trump clemency for Lakewood's Eliyahu Weinstein" is the headline on a "subscriber exclusive" story.

The AG has ripped every silly thing that Trump has ever done, and has filed so many lawsuits against him that I lost track. But the APP headline makes it sound like THIS is the thing that Trump did that is just nuts.

The article also mentions that it was AG Grewal who prosecuted him as a federal crime official before he became AG. But it leaves out that prosecutorial mismanagement is the primary reason for the pardon efforts.

Last thing: why is this piece "subscriber exclusive" while the piece on Gilmore's pardon is not. Are they banking the fact that people will pay money to read dirt about Lakewood but not about a political guy?

If you cancel them then they wont be making money and might shut down.
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2021, 09:34:06 AM »
I hate the Asbury Park Press, how they always twist everything against the Jewish community.

"'I'm disgusted': AG Grewal rips Trump clemency for Lakewood's Eliyahu Weinstein" is the headline on a "subscriber exclusive" story.

You prefer the nj.com headline? 
"This N.J. con man duped investors out of millions, feds say. Trump just released him from prison."

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2021, 09:39:53 AM »
That would require spending an additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on lawyers on top of what already was spent, and going through a full blown court system full of prosecutors and judges that don’t necessarily want to step on each other’s toes. Just have a review board to analyze the sentence and see if enough time was served. That’s it. And in case of bad human judgement, I’d rather let 1 criminal get out a bit early than 10 remain in prison too long.

Aren’t there systems in place for that as well? e.g. “Released early for exemplary behavior”
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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2021, 09:58:02 AM »
You prefer the nj.com headline? 
"This N.J. con man duped investors out of millions, feds say. Trump just released him from prison."
Much better from journalistic professionalism. Firstly, they resisted using the word "Lakewood" in their headline. Second, it doesn't use a false narrative.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2021, 10:31:16 AM »
[ ... ] has ripped every silly thing that Trump has ever done, and has [ ... ] so many [ ... ] against him that I lost track. But [ ... ] makes it sound like THIS is the thing that Trump did that is just nuts.

Here's a template to use about almost anything written about anything Trump has done within the last year.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2021, 10:35:56 AM »
Much better from journalistic professionalism. Firstly, they resisted using the word "Lakewood" in their headline. Second, it doesn't use a false narrative.
It's typical for small local newspapers to emphasize how local people are involved in national news, so "Lakewood" isn't surprising.

Perhaps we need a takanah that advises frum yidden who plan to engage in criminal activity to first move out of Lakewood and change their name to something like Garrison McCormick.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2021, 10:44:51 AM »
It's typical for small local newspapers to emphasize how local people are involved in national news, so "Lakewood" isn't surprising.

Perhaps we need a takanah that advises frum yidden who plan to engage in criminal activity to first move out of Lakewood and change their name to something like Garrison McCormick.
APP has a record of emphasizing Lakewood in headlines when it's negative, and writing "NJ man" when it's positive. They don't do the same for people in other townships.

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Re: Who Will Trump Pardon In His Remaining Hours ?
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2021, 10:46:07 AM »
Here's a template to use about almost anything written about anything Trump has done within the last year.
Until '24 comes around the corner where the template is " ______ did _______ which is way worse than anything Trump ever did."