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CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« on: May 20, 2021, 05:28:02 PM »
The CBC has an article where they call the Jewish residents of Lod "settlers" eleven times in the article.

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Arrival of settlers has changed city's character
Palestinian Arabs make up about 20 per cent of Israel's population and 30 per cent of Lod's.

But in recent years, there's been an addition to the mix in Lod in the form of hardline nationalist and religious settlers moving to the city, part of the Garin Torani movement.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lod-israel-jews-arabs-violence-1.6033292

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2021, 05:33:38 PM »
The CBC has an article where they call the Jewish residents of Lod "settlers" eleven times in the article.

By example:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lod-israel-jews-arabs-violence-1.6033292
They are Israeli arabs not Palestinian arabs. That's the first "mistake".
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2021, 05:45:23 PM »
You're attributing to CBC something that is very widely known and not at all disputed - that there is a group of Mizrachi people who moved to Lod and consider themselves 'Settlers' attempting to strengthen the Jewish presence in biblical Eretz Yisroel.

The debate is only about if that contributed to the violence or not.

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"יש התעניינות רבה", מתגאה שלומית חדד, דוברת פרויקט "נווה נוף נריה". מבחינת הציבור זו הזדמנות טובה לגור בזול בקהילה חזקה וערכית, עם מוסדות חינוך טובים. רבים מהפונים מגיעים מהתנחלויות, מתוך שאיפה לייהד את העיר. לוד היום, במובן מסוים, זו גם התנחלות".

עבור ישראל זעירא, העומד בראש הפרויקט מטעם חברת "באמונה", מדובר בשליחות. "הנושא הדמוגרפי בערים המעורבות נזנח, וכעת נמצאת ישראל בבעיית זהות חמורה מאד", הוא אומר. "אנחנו לא עושים זאת במקום התנחלויות - אלא כצעד משלים. יש אלפי זוגות צעירים נפלאים שיהיו מוכנים, אם רק נניף את הדגל, להתייצב למשימה הציונית הזו. זו הציונות של ימינו".
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3855059,00.html


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"זו מגמה של הציבור הלאומי־דתי", מסביר שילה הנדלר, העומד בראש גרעין אלישיב בלוד. "גילינו שהחיבור לעם ישראל הוא חשוב לא פחות מליישב את יהודה ושומרון. אחרי גוש קטיף הבנו שאתה יכול לייצר מפעל ציוני מדהים, אבל אם העם לא איתך זה לא שווה כלום. לקדם את לוד זו משימה לאומית לא פחות מלגור בשכם".
https://www.calcalist.co.il/real_estate/articles/0,7340,L-3508569,00.html


Their official website outright states their mission is rectifying the situation created by 'problematic Arab population penetrating some of the neighborhoods'
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לקראת סוף המאה העשרים התדרדר מצבה של העיר. ניהול מוניציפלי כושל, חדירה מסיבית של אוכלוסייה ערבית בעייתית לחלק מהשכונות ועזיבת תושבים לטובת הערים החדשות הסמוכות – הביאו למציאות קשה ברחבי העיר ולהתגברות הפשע והעזובה.

אולם, בעשור האחרון מנשבות מחדש שוב רוחות של תקוה בלוד: הקמת שכונות חדשות, כניסתו של הגרעין התורני, פעילות ונחישות של תושבים שאכפת להם במגוון תחומים, ועלייתה של הנהגה עירונית מתפקדת, כל אלו מביאים לעלייתה מחדש של לוד על המפה ולשובה למקומה הטבעי כאחת הערים הבולטות, החשובות והיפות במדינת ישראל.
https://glod.org.il/הסיפור-של-לוד/


You're literally accusing CBC of calling them settlers when they call themselves the same thing in attempt to glorify their mission. With such a level of ignorance you shouldn't be entitled to a position on anything related to the conflict.
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2021, 05:48:46 PM »

You're literally accusing CBC of calling them settlers when they call themselves the same thing.
Just because they identify as settlers doesn't make them settlers
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2021, 06:06:16 PM »
Just because they identify as settlers doesn't make them settlers

Agreed. And by @PlatinumGuy 's logic, the chassidic residents of Modiin Ilit and Beitar Ilit, should not be called "settlers" since they are anti-nationalist and dont serve in the army. Just try to find any media outlet which would agree with that.

The funniest point in the article is a direct quote that "The main strategy was to establish settlements in the mixed cities." Do you think they are dumping shipping container trailers into Lod and living there?

A "settlement" is a defined term, although I personally find its definition and connotation distasteful. But to apply @PlatinumGuy 's logic, if people want to set up anti-nationalist yeshuvim in the West Bank, they would not be settlements :-)

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2021, 06:09:59 PM »
You're literally accusing CBC of calling them settlers when they call themselves the same thing in attempt to glorify their mission. With such a level of ignorance you shouldn't be entitled to a position on anything related to the conflict.

I'm not well versed on the history of Chevron but one thing most people aren't aware of is that the 1929 massacre was provoked by the British giving Jews more rights in the contentious Jlem old city. Obviously, that doesn't legitimize the Arab response, but it illustrates how oftentimes being smart and pragmatic leads to better outcomes than being (dead) right.

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2021, 06:15:48 PM »

How many times do you need to be explained that the history of 1 town carries very little relevance in the grand scheme of things?
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2021, 06:28:49 PM »
Agreed. And by @PlatinumGuy 's logic, the chassidic residents of Modiin Ilit and Beitar Ilit, should not be called "settlers" since they are anti-nationalist and dont serve in the army.
In Israel they are generally not referred to as settlers. In general the term 'settlement' is used only to define smaller towns, and Beiter and Modiin Ilit are referred to as cities, like Maale Adumim and Ariel.

A "settlement" is a defined term, although I personally find its definition and connotation distasteful.

Source of said definition that somehow connects it to the green line?

The term settlers means people who move to a place they aren't native in, and in Israel is commonly used in a context of establishing a Jewish presence in an otherwise Arab area, which is precisely what the settlers in Lod did.
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2021, 06:37:11 PM »
With such a level of ignorance you shouldn't be entitled to a position on anything related to the conflict.

OP might be 100% wrong and I’m still surprised to see this type of response from you.

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2021, 06:41:55 PM »
OP might be 100% wrong and I’m still surprised to see this type of response from you.
Ignorance here is an objective definition, not intended as a personal attack. If you follow OPs attacks on me in other threads, perhaps it would make more sense to you. Plenty of the attacks on me I earned fair and square, but too many of them are a result of complete lack of elementary knowledge of the subject matter.

Either way, if it was offensive, I apologize. I didn't intend to cause anyone discomfort.
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2021, 06:44:05 PM »
Just because they identify as settlers doesn't make them settlers
Agreed. And by @PlatinumGuy 's logic, the chassidic residents of Modiin Ilit and Beitar Ilit, should not be called "settlers" since they are anti-nationalist and dont serve in the army. Just try to find any media outlet which would agree with that.

The funniest point in the article is a direct quote that "The main strategy was to establish settlements in the mixed cities." Do you think they are dumping shipping container trailers into Lod and living there?

A "settlement" is a defined term, although I personally find its definition and connotation distasteful. But to apply @PlatinumGuy 's logic, if people want to set up anti-nationalist yeshuvim in the West Bank, they would not be settlements :-)
Source of said definition that somehow connects it to the green line?

The term settlers means people who move to a place they aren't native in, and in Israel is commonly used in a context of establishing a Jewish presence in an otherwise Arab area, which is precisely what the settlers in Lod did.
That pretzel you are twisting into could probably use some salt. You are working so hard to defend the CBC you now take the position that settlements are not related to the Green line. Well here is the world's definition of "settlements" as offensive as it is to me:

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Settlements are communities of Jews that have been moving to the West Bank since it came under Israeli occupation in 1967. Some of the settlers move there for religious reasons, some because they want to claim the West Bank territory as Israeli land, and some because the housing there tends to be cheap and subsidized
- https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080052/israel-settlements-west-bank

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Israeli settlements, or Israeli colonies,[1][2][3] are civilian communities inhabited by Israeli citizens, almost exclusively of Jewish ethnicity,[4][5] built in violation of international law on lands occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.[6] Israeli settlements currently exist in the Palestinian territory of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and in the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

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The term “Settlements” usually refers to the towns and villages that Jews established in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip (prior to the disengagement) since Israel captured the area in the Six-Day War of 1967. In some cases, the settlements are in the same area where flourishing Jewish communities have lived for thousands of years.
-https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/facts-about-jewish-settlements-in-the-west-bank

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Israeli settlement, any of the communities of Israeli Jews built after 1967 in the disputed territories captured by Israel in the Six-Day War—the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula.
- https://www.britannica.com/place/Israeli-settlement



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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2021, 06:44:48 PM »
Ignorance here is an objective definition, not intended as a personal attack. If you follow OPs attacks on me in other threads, perhaps it would make more sense to you. Plenty of the attacks on me I earned fair and square, but too many of them are a result of complete lack of elementary knowledge of the subject matter.

Either way, if it was offensive, I apologize. I didn't intend to cause anyone discomfort.

Best you don’t stoop to their level, you’re better than that. Even though I find myself disagreeing with things you say I appreciate that you share your opinions, the way you do so, and the content you link to.

FTR, I wasn’t posting as a mod.

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2021, 06:47:51 PM »
Best you don’t stoop to their level, you’re better than that. Even though I find myself disagreeing with things you say I appreciate that you share your opinions, the way you do so, and the content you link to.

FTR, I wasn’t posting as a mod.
Thank you. I will try to improve.
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2021, 06:50:19 PM »
That pretzel you are twisting into could probably use some salt. You are working so hard to defend the CBC you now take the position that settlements are not related to the Green line. Well here is the world's definition of "settlements" as offensive as it is to me:
 - https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080052/israel-settlements-west-bank
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
 -https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/facts-about-jewish-settlements-in-the-west-bank
 - https://www.britannica.com/place/Israeli-settlement

Lol, I don't need to defend the CBC, the entire world from the settlers themselves through the Israeli media and everybody else called them settlers. The fact that you only woke up to it today says nothing about CBC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler

The links you cite are from before there was a phenomena of settlement inside the green line.
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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2021, 07:50:44 PM »
That pretzel you are twisting into could probably use some salt. You are working so hard to defend the CBC you now take the position that settlements are not related to the Green line. Well here is the world's definition of "settlements" as offensive as it is to me:
 - https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080052/israel-settlements-west-bank
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
 -https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/facts-about-jewish-settlements-in-the-west-bank
 - https://www.britannica.com/place/Israeli-settlement
Lol, I don't need to defend the CBC, the entire world from the settlers themselves through the Israeli media and everybody else called them settlers. The fact that you only woke up to it today says nothing about CBC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler

The links you cite are from before there was a phenomena of settlement inside the green line.

Guess someone needs to wake up arutz sheva as they had the same problem with the article that I did:

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CBC News repeatedly refers to Jewish residents of Lod as “settlers”
Article repeatedly refers to Jewish residents of Lod as settlers who are "infiltrating" the city.
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In an article titled “Israeli city where Jews and Arabs have lived as neighbours now seeing unprecedented violence" CBC, Canada’s public broadcaster, referred multiple times to Jewish residents of Lod as “settlers.”

The article claimed that “hardline Jewish nationalists are moving into Israel’s mixed cities.”

One of the subheadings is titled “Arrival of settlers has changed city's character.”

The article says that “in recent years, there's been an addition to the mix in Lod in the form of hardline nationalist and religious settlers moving to the city.”

In another part of the article, it states, “The settlers' arrival has slowly changed the character of some parts of the city.”


And in yet another example, the article refers to the “national religious settlers who have infiltrated” Lod.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/306557

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Re: CBC article calls Jewish residents of Lod - "settlers"
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2021, 08:07:26 PM »
now u can understand what they really mean whenever they promote dismantling the "settlements"