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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #160 on: February 14, 2021, 06:22:32 PM »
I thought I saw videos of a rioter literally killing him

If that's the case you might want to get in touch with the prosecutors. According to CNN they have yet to see any such footage.

what difference does it make?

Wasn't this whole shpeil about spreading false and inflammatory information? If there is no evidence that he was killed by the rioters, wouldn't this qualify?

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #161 on: February 14, 2021, 08:54:22 PM »

I agree with every word Mitch McConnell says here
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #162 on: February 14, 2021, 09:01:21 PM »

I agree with every word Mitch McConnell says here

Isn't Mitch McConnell one of the people responsible for the Capitol police (and therefore the decision not to ask for help from the national guard)?

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #163 on: February 14, 2021, 09:06:40 PM »
Isn't Mitch McConnell one of the people responsible for the Capitol police (and therefore the decision not to ask for help from the national guard)?
Maybe conceptually, but not directly. For that price he is also responsible for the US military and national guard 
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #164 on: February 14, 2021, 09:08:29 PM »
Maybe conceptually, but not directly.

But if these events were "completely foreseeable" wouldn't he be the one to request added security?


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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #165 on: February 14, 2021, 09:28:46 PM »
But if these events were "completely foreseeable" wouldn't he be the one to request added security?
First of all, as you very well know, McConnell doesn't mean the precise incident was perfectly predictable, he was referring to comments like Gabriel Sterling that something of the nature was bound to happen. It's like saying a drunk driver going from NY to Washington is bound to get into trouble, even if you can't pinpoint what exactly will happen.

I'm not sure how the chain of command works exactly but I'd imagine Congress appoints executive officials and maintains some regular  of the Capitol Police but that doesn't necessarily include having a daily briefing and approving every action plan. Odds are McConnell had no idea what the specific security plans were prior to the event, and had no reason to assume they weren't being handled correctly. Remember, McConnell wasn't officially an executive in charge of the senate, he had limited procedural authorities.  Once the event broke out of course Capitol Police requested NG support immediately and Congressional republicans were instrumental in getting the executive branch to approve it.
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #166 on: February 15, 2021, 11:02:13 AM »

The will of the people...
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #167 on: February 15, 2021, 07:43:57 PM »

The will of the people...

And 57% of senators voted for impeachment. Perfectly democratic... ::)

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #168 on: February 16, 2021, 12:56:39 AM »

The will of the people...
In this day and age of polarized politics, that’s a remarkable majority. If a President were elected with 58% it would be the biggest landslide in more than three and a half decades. -Twitter
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #169 on: February 16, 2021, 08:51:55 AM »
In this day and age of polarized politics, that’s a remarkable majority. If a President were elected with 58% it would be the biggest landslide in more than three and a half decades. -Twitter

#electoralcollege

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #170 on: February 16, 2021, 02:25:38 PM »
Anyone keeping track of how many republicans have been censured so far?
I heard it’s up to 12

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2021, 05:31:51 PM »
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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #172 on: February 18, 2021, 07:11:47 PM »

California already tried that and it was declared unconstitutional

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Re: Trump Impeachment Trial 2.0
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2021, 07:51:32 PM »
California already tried that and it was declared unconstitutional

Very interesting, thank you. I did some quick research, and while it's definitely not happening any time soon, there is very big difference between the California law, which lacking jurisdiction over candidates can only set ballot access rules, which the CA SC deemed unconstitutional, and HR1 / For the People Act of 2021, that has jurisdiction over candidates and presidents and may be able to compel them to disclose tax documents without it being considered impeding their ballot access. 
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