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Should Rabanim Be Open To Scrutiny?
« on: January 24, 2021, 10:15:01 AM »
defend when a cop r"l kills a charedi.
Still pales in comparison to the pogroms in Lithuania

I urge you to go through the birth and death records from Europe. I did, for the towns where my ancestors lived in Lithuania. You'll be surprised. There was almost no such thing that a person lived to ripe old age. People died young from every sort of malady that Hashem has thankfully given us the treatments for today. Every single year babies, small kids, teenagers, young mothers and fathers died r"l.

Covid is very very serious and bad, but it doesn't compare to the mortality rate in Europe before the war from a whole range of sicknesses.

I forgot where I read all the records. Was fascinating and scary.
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2021, 10:44:15 AM »
You've gone off the deep end. I'm done with arguments.

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 10:51:32 AM »
You've gone off the deep end. I'm done with arguments.
aka 'You were right'
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2021, 11:00:23 AM »
It probably won’t last for long but TLV really will shut down for the first time
It just passed the vote, the Israeli government closed TLV from Jan 26-31

https://www.mako.co.il/news-politics/2021_q1/Article-d4622bf04843771027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2021, 11:00:27 AM »
You've gone off the deep end. I'm done with arguments.
Are you defending someone who considers himself a getchke and is leading his Chassidim straight to Gehinom (in both worlds)?

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2021, 11:58:51 AM »
Are you defending someone who considers himself a getchke and is leading his Chassidim straight to Gehinom (in both worlds)?
The Torah is old fashioned. Nowadays if you wear black and white, call yourself a Rabbi, and eat some kugel, anything you do or say is sacrosanct and any opposition is nazi style antisemitism.
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
Can this conversation please be moved to the loshon horah/motzei shem ra board ?

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2021, 12:37:17 PM »
Can this conversation please be moved to the loshon horah/motzei shem ra board ?

AKA circular bin...
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2021, 01:38:46 PM »
Can this conversation please be moved to the loshon horah/motzei shem ra board ?
Before it moves there, do you think there are no clear boundaries when not only is it not Lashon Hora, but you are mechuyav to speak up?

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2021, 01:43:53 PM »
Before it moves there, do you think there are no clear boundaries when not only is it not Lashon Hora, but you are mechuyav to speak up?

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I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2021, 01:49:40 PM »
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Good thing Avoda Zara and killing people are ספק דרבנן לקולא
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2021, 01:51:23 PM »
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Is there any safek here? All you need is a copy of some of the things they give out and it's clear as day. Not everything is hush hush, sweep under the rug.

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2021, 02:00:15 PM »
Is there any safek here? All you need is a copy of some of the things they give out and it's clear as day. Not everything is hush hush, sweep under the rug.
Once you acknowledge Daas Torah/Gedolei Yisroel/LOR etc are subject to review and don't override the torah, you open up too many other leaders for criticism. Understanding the obligation to follow Rabbinical jurisdiction & authority is not infinite but has boundaries is way too much nuance to ask for nowadays, because then you'd actually have to defend the merits of every gudiance instead of just discrediting all question as illegitimate.
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2021, 02:11:52 PM »
Can this conversation please be moved to the loshon horah/motzei shem ra board ?

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2021, 02:21:22 PM »
Can this conversation please be moved to the loshon horah/motzei shem ra board ?
Live and let live. Don't shut down a civil conversation when you can't defend your position.
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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2021, 02:24:20 PM »
Live and let live. Don't shut down a civil conversation when you can't defend your position.
There’s nothing civil about this drivel (to put it mildly) & as such I won’t be getting involved in it. Regardless it doesn’t belong in Covid board.

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Re: Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2021, 02:29:06 PM »
There’s nothing civil about this drivel (to put it mildly) & as such I won’t be getting involved in it. Regardless it doesn’t belong in Covid board.
It’s time for the mods to step in and bring back the DDF boards to what they used to be; a place for civil normal helpful conversation.

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