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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2021, 12:31:18 PM »
The conversation started from that argument being applied to DC statehood.
No, the "one side" argument is weak in the case of voter ID laws because we accept IDs in all aspects of our daily life with not a peep about it being racist.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2021, 12:34:38 PM »
No, the "one side" argument is weak in the case of voter ID laws because we accept IDs in all aspects of our daily life with not a peep about it being racist.
It doesn’t have to be racist to be partisan.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2021, 12:40:26 PM »
Valid points but it doesn't change the fact of why one side is doing it.
I am not agreeing with either side but feel anything we can do to get more people to vote is a good thing.
Sure, as long as we're not opening opportunities to cheat.

On the flip side, anything to make sure people have faith in the integrity of the election is a good thing.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »
On the flip side, anything to make sure people have faith in the integrity of the election is a good thing.
Meh. The only election integrity people have faith in is for the elections they win. That's just where we are as a country right now.

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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2021, 04:48:08 PM »
I mean, there's no evidence of people trying to checkin to hotel rooms that aren't theirs, but you still need ID.
I don't really understand why ID isn't racist to secure unemployment or buying a smoke, but it is for voting.
Other than the one side argument, which is weak. Either IDs are OK to ensure security or they're not.
It isn't about this one item. It is about R's passing legislation to restrict voting. They believe the less people that vote the better chance they have.

In Georgia they tried to pass no early voting on Sunday. That was targeted for a certain group to suppress their vote.

All you have to know is which side wants the legislation and you will know if voting will be easier or harder. It is that simple.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2021, 04:48:53 PM »
On the flip side, anything to make sure people have faith in the integrity of the election is a good thing.
Can we get past the BIG LIE!!!
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2021, 04:50:32 PM »
Meh. The only election integrity people have faith in is for the elections they win. That's just where we are as a country right now.
Trump last time and Biden this time I had no issue with the election process. It is the nut cases on both ends that are the issue.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2021, 07:03:04 PM »
I think the only way DC will get statehood in this senate is if there is a bill to grant statehood to each of the American territories and there is a vote using גיטו וידו באין כאחד.


ETA: To explain for those unfamiliar with the talmudic term, basically the 12 potential senators (from each of the territories and from DC) would have to vote on the bill and they would be senators simultaneous to the passing of the bill, so their votes would be valid in hindsight. And no, I don't think this would actually be valid in US law...
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2021, 10:03:13 AM »
DC will become a state if 2/3 of Manchin Sinema & Murkowski vote for it and to cancel the filibuster for state additions. It’s not at all far fetched, IMHO very likely to happen.

Manchin is typically outspoken when he opposes a Dem agenda, if he hasn’t spoken against it I think he supports it but won’t commit to maintain his beloved swing vote status and bask in his eternal courtship.

Murkowski may support statehood but it’s hard to see her voting against the filibuster in such a partisan environment.

Sinema is an unpredictable wild card.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2021, 10:15:07 AM »
North, South, East, West, and Central Texas, here we come.

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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2021, 10:21:34 AM »
North, South, East, West, and Central Texas, here we come.
In the 2020 presidential election, Ohio was redder than Texas, and Florida came very close.

If states split and split, ultimately a minimum population requirement will be enacted, and you already know who wins then
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2021, 10:30:47 AM »
FTF the Democrats who want to pack the senate.

I've been to Puerto Rico so I'm ok with that too ;-)

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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2021, 10:44:41 AM »
cancel the filibuster for state additions.
That would be exactly the same thing as cancelling it for everything.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2021, 10:48:08 AM »
That would be exactly the same thing as cancelling it for everything.
Not true as they already canceled it for some things but not all.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2021, 10:54:46 AM »
Not true as they already canceled it for some things but not all.
I understand that, but all were appointments not laws. Even there, once it was for one appointment it very quickly became all. There is no real difference between a cabinet secretary, federal judge or SCOTUS justice. Once they start with one law it is all. The next is any law regarding purple flowers in Kansas or any other arbitrary item on the agenda.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2021, 10:56:25 AM »
I understand that, but all were appointments not laws. Even there, once it was for one appointment it very quickly became all. There is no real difference between a cabinet secretary, federal judge or SCOTUS justice. Once they start with one law it is all. The next is any law regarding purple flowers in Kansas or any other arbitrary item on the agenda.
Better to have them fall one at a time than all at once. Maybe someone will wake up.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2021, 10:58:44 AM »
Adding a state is no more a law than appointing a judge and certainly less of a law than budget reconciliation.

Regardless, it’s only as relevant as Manchin & Sinema think it is.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2021, 11:00:19 AM »
Better to have them fall one at a time than all at once. Maybe someone will wake up.
They are one and the same.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2021, 11:01:19 AM »
They are one and the same.
One does not mean all and for some reason you will not be able to understand that.
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Re: DC and PR Statehood
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2021, 11:34:47 AM »
anything to make sure people have faith in the integrity of the election is a good thing.
So you support adding a hurdle to vote for millions of people for the sake of ‘faith in the integrity of the elections ’ but have no qualms with DJT who singlehandedly conned over 50 million people into falsely believing he won an election?
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