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#1 Covid isn’t deadly & it only affects the elderly and immunocompromised 

Evidence for:

1) https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists
2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916
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Of the 100 included patients, 53 (53%) were male, and the mean (SD) age was 49 (14) years. The median (IQR) time interval between COVID-19 diagnosis and CMR was 71 (64-92) days. Of the 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19, 67 (67%) recovered at home, while 33 (33%) required hospitalization. At the time of CMR, high-sensitivity troponin T (hsTnT) was detectable (greater than 3 pg/mL) in 71 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 (71%) and significantly elevated (greater than 13.9 pg/mL) in 5 patients (5%). Compared with healthy controls and risk factor–matched controls, patients recently recovered from COVID-19 had lower left ventricular ejection fraction, higher left ventricle volumes, and raised native T1 and T2. A total of 78 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 (78%) had abnormal CMR findings, including raised myocardial native T1 (n = 73), raised myocardial native T2 (n = 60), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (n = 32), or pericardial enhancement (n = 22).



#4 Masks don’t help


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As of August 11, 24 (23%) Kansas counties had a mask mandate in place, and 81 did not. Mandated counties accounted for two thirds of the Kansas population (1,960,703 persons; 67.3%)*** and were spread throughout the state, although they tended to cluster together. Six (25%) mandated and 13 (16%) nonmandated counties were metropolitan areas.††† Thirteen (54%) mandated counties and seven (9%) nonmandated counties had implemented at least one other public health mitigation strategy not related to the use of masks (e.g., limits on size of gatherings and occupancy for restaurants). During June 1–7, 2020, the 7-day rolling average of daily COVID-19 incidence among counties that ultimately had a mask mandate was three cases per 100,000, and among counties that did not, was four per 100,000 (Table). By the week of the governor’s executive order requiring masks (July 3–9), COVID-19 incidence had increased 467% to 17 per 100,000 in mandated counties and 50% to six per 100,000 among nonmandated counties. By August 17–23, 2020, the 7-day rolling average COVID-19 incidence had decreased by 6% to 16 cases per 100,000 among mandated counties and increased by 100% to 12 per 100,000 among nonmandated counties.



https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

2) https://www.ajtmh.org/view/journals/tpmd/103/6/article-p2400.xml?tab_body=fulltext

3) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20048652v1.full-text

4) https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

5) https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30235-8/fulltext

6) Canada:
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We find that, in the first few weeks after implementation, mask mandates are associated with a reduction of 25 percent in the weekly number of new COVID-19 cases.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27891/w27891.pdf



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Author Topic: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies  (Read 1786 times)

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2021, 01:42:59 AM »
we know that travel increases the spread of Covid
Not really, only if they're coming from somewhere where Covid was more prevalent.

Pax who come from somewhere Covid is less prevalent are making Covid less prevalent where they land.

I've said repeatedly that masks work, but that masks mandates... Not so much.
You have yet to bring a single piece of proof to support that, and haven't disputed the proof I brought.

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2021, 08:42:50 PM »
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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2021, 11:18:20 PM »
Why is that true? Aren't the kids in the community otherwise? So they are part of the 10

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2021, 11:21:33 PM »
Why is that true? Aren't the kids in the community otherwise? So they are part of the 10
They are in school in the morning and the community in the afternoon so have the best of both worlds...
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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2021, 11:28:44 PM »
They are in school in the morning and the community in the afternoon so have the best of both worlds...
I guess. They are in the community significantly less if they are spending 6-7 hours a day in school

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2021, 12:03:48 AM »
I guess. They are in the community significantly less if they are spending 6-7 hours a day in school
The assumption is that they would be in school as opposed to being home learning on Zoom, not as opposed to being at the mall. Thus increasing spread, not decreasing it.
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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2021, 12:09:16 AM »
(A conversation that’s more common than you’d think)

Him: “Yanky isn’t feeling well today, but don’t worry- it’s not COVID!”
Me: “How do you know it’s not COVID?”
Him:“Come on, why would it be COVID? You never heard of getting a fever? He gets this every year.”
Me: “Why don’t you just test him?”
Him: “I’m not going to test him, I don’t want to have to quarantine!”


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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2021, 12:13:17 AM »
(A conversation that’s more common than you’d think)

Him: “Yanky isn’t feeling well today, but don’t worry- it’s not COVID!”
Me: “How do you know it’s not COVID?”
Him:“Come on, why would it be COVID? You never heard of getting a fever? He gets this every year.”
Me: “Why don’t you just test him?”
Him: “I’m not going to test him, I don’t want to have to quarantine!”


.....And that’s when I killed him, Your Honor.
Me: "If he has fever, you should probably test him"
Him: "well if you test every time someone has a headache, you might as well test everyone twice a day"

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2021, 02:15:30 AM »
Debunk this



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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2021, 02:17:00 AM »
Why take a vaccine that’s only 95% effective for a virus that 99.8% survive?

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2021, 07:55:47 AM »
Why take a vaccine that’s only 95% effective for a virus that 99.8% survive?
For the same reason you have Verizon service.

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2021, 10:20:32 AM »
The assumption is that they would be in school as opposed to being home learning on Zoom, not as opposed to being at the mall. Thus increasing spread, not decreasing it.
This assumption is ridiculous. Kids are out and about, causing way more spread than they would if schools would be open.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2021, 10:47:41 AM »
This assumption is ridiculous. Kids are out and about, causing way more spread than they would if schools would be open.

You have to consider that many places are not like the system you live in. For example, when my kid was on Zoom, interaction was limited to people in our neighborhood, and it was always outdoors. Now we're dealing with an indoor classroom, and with kids from 7 other communities. That's a huge difference.
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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2021, 10:50:32 AM »
You have to consider that many places are not like the system you live in. For example, when my kid was on Zoom, interaction was limited to people in our neighborhood, and it was always outdoors. Now we're dealing with an indoor classroom, and with kids from 7 other communities. That's a huge difference.
I'm not talking about lakewood, I'm talking about most public school students. There's a reason attendance has been abysmal, and it's not because they're sitting at home all day.
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Re: DDF Mythbusters: The 10 Covid Fallacies
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2021, 10:53:53 AM »
I'm not talking about lakewood, I'm talking about most public school students. There's a reason attendance has been abysmal, and it's not because they're sitting at home all day.

Public school kids often come from multiple communities, too. Many of these kids have no circles in common outside of school. And again, there are limited places they can hang out indoors. You can't compare sitting in a classroom with roaming around the city.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying keep schools closed. But don't pretend the transmission rate would be lower if they would be in school.
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