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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2021, 05:52:27 PM »
Not sure if this point has been made, but isn't it a lot more economical to winterize wind generation in Alaska compared to a state that rarely has freezing weather? Winterizing 20% of your energy to prevent a 100 year event seems like an enormous waste of money to maintain a fragile system. It may be a better investment to add NG capacity with a far lower percentage of failure instead of investing in winterization.
Regardless you're investing in something that you only expect to need once in 100 years.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2021, 05:56:53 PM »
Regardless you're investing in something that you only expect to need once in 100 years.

That is true, but if you start from scratch - before there was any renewable energy - if instead of adding 20% wind and winterizing forever, they simply added 20% NG, it would operate fine while being a lot more economical.

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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2021, 06:04:22 PM »
That is true, but if you start from scratch - before there was any renewable energy - if instead of adding 20% wind and winterizing forever, they simply added 20% NG, it would operate fine while being a lot more economical.
This is exactly the problem with having an unreliable source of energy, you need to invest in a more reliable source to cover for when you unreliable source is down, it makes no sense economically.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2021, 07:36:00 PM »
That is true, but if you start from scratch - before there was any renewable energy - if instead of adding 20% wind and winterizing forever, they simply added 20% NG, it would operate fine while being a lot more economical.

Your numbers are off. The NG was down enough that even if there was no wind and there was 20% more NG, there would be widespread blackouts (although somewhat less than there were). NG underperformed by 41% of expectations, so even if there was 20% more NG capacity, that would be only 12% more overall power (even before you deduct the wind output), which wouldn't have come close to solving the shortage.

Texas didn't necessarily do the wrong thing in saving $$$ by mandating winterization for an event that was extremely unlikely to happen, but Abott going on Fox and blaming a non existent Green New Deal for a problem that was created by the diametric opposite of big government is pathetic.

Of course, the narrative that the Texas attitude saved consumers money is a fiction, per the WSJ

This is exactly the problem with having an unreliable source of energy, you need to invest in a more reliable source to cover for when you unreliable source is down, it makes no sense economically.
Renewable energy makes no sense economically until you acknowledge carbon footprint carries a price too. That's why the government has to subsidize it.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2021, 09:07:53 PM »
Your numbers are off. The NG was down enough that even if there was no wind and there was 20% more NG, there would be widespread blackouts (although somewhat less than there were). NG underperformed by 41% of expectations, so even if there was 20% more NG capacity, that would be only 12% more overall power (even before you deduct the wind output), which wouldn't have come close to solving the shortage.

Texas didn't necessarily do the wrong thing in saving $$$ by mandating winterization for an event that was extremely unlikely to happen, but Abott going on Fox and blaming a non existent Green New Deal for a problem that was created by the diametric opposite of big government is pathetic.

Of course, the narrative that the Texas attitude saved consumers money is a fiction, per the WSJ
Renewable energy makes no sense economically until you acknowledge carbon footprint carries a price too. That's why the government has to subsidize it.
The WSJ article has some good points but missed the boat assuming the link is to the article I think it is . I hope to write more about this later.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2021, 11:11:51 AM »
Great explanation of some of the more technical aspects of the outage.


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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2021, 11:38:27 AM »
Great explanation of some of the more technical aspects of the outage.


I didn't watch the video yet, but this is what he is great at.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2021, 11:42:59 AM »
I didn't watch the video yet, but this what he is great at.
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