Ice Age in Texas

[PlatinumGuy]

With talk that this is only the beginning of global energy problems cascading from Texas natural gas shutdown, perhaps it's time for a dedicated thread.

This is not a third world country. This is Houston, Texas. I spotted a line of people filing up buckets of water from a spicket at Haden Park. Why? Millions either have no water or are under a Boil Water Advisory. pic.twitter.com/VHYH5Hbqjj

— Erica Simon (@EricaOnABC13) February 18, 2021

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Hour 62 of no power in central Austin: One of my neighbors walked to 7-11 a couple hours ago and found a dead woman frozen on the sidewalk. Those are the conditions here in Austin, Texas, for those inclined to make jokes about how weak or stupid we are.

— Summer Anne Burton (@summeranne) February 17, 2021

My sister in Austin saw a transformer go down and light their tree on fire. She called fire department. They told her “you’re your own police and fire department now.”

— Jane Shay Wald (@janefourmillion) February 17, 2021

Perry says Texans wiling to suffer blackouts to keep feds out of power market https://t.co/p0Kcw2u24s

— Houston Chronicle (@HoustonChron) February 17, 2021

hey @tedcruz, we fixed this for you pic.twitter.com/0oNyZjBRyx

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) February 18, 2021

I bet if Texas renamed their power grid to uterus, the state would be regulating the shit out of it.

— Irishrygirl (@irishrygirl) February 17, 2021

#BREAKING:

President @JoeBiden's administration is providing generators to Texas and preparing to move diesel in to the state for generators at communications facilities, hospitals, and water.

FEMA is also supplying Texas with water and blankets at their request. #txwx

— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) February 17, 2021

[avromie7]

With talk that this is only the beginning of global energy problems cascading from Texas natural gas shutdown, perhaps it's time for a dedicated thread.

Where do you see any evidence of anything global cascading from this?

Please keep the Lincoln project out of any serious discussion.

While being connected to a larger grid would have helped Texas this week, the crux of the issue (without getting into the political blame game) is the fact that ERCOT was not properly prepared for the worst case scenario when it happened. Also, the NG shortage would be little helped by the electric being connected to the larger grid.

[PlatinumGuy]

Where do you see any evidence of anything global cascading from this?

I didn't say evidence. I said talk. (straw man)

Remember, there is not only production loss, refineries are shut in as well (oil can not be processed) add export and imports problems due to port traffic issues. https://t.co/oUQFJuTEFq

— Tracy (𝒞𝒽𝒾 ) (@chigrl) February 18, 2021

This is huge.

“Texas produces more gas than any other state, w/output at ~23B cubic feet/day before deep freeze, ~25%of total production from Lower 48 states. Its two liquefied natural gas export terminals consumed about 4B cubic feet/day of gas before the polar blast.” https://t.co/jxfeSnvBFt

— Danielle DiMartino Booth (@DiMartinoBooth) February 17, 2021

Please keep the Lincoln project out of any serious discussion.

Silly ad hominem attitude. שמע את האמת ממי שאמרה.

Also, the NG shortage would be little helped by the electric being connected to the larger grid.

Why is that? Short power from NG, transmit power from other states. Oops, we're not connected.


ט טובים השניים, מן-האחד:  אשר יש-להם שכר טוב, בעמלם.  י כי אם-ייפולו, האחד יקים את-חברו; ואילו, האחד שייפול, ואין שני, להקימו.  יא גם אם-ישכבו שניים, וחם להם; ולאחד, איך ייחם.  יב ואם-יתקפו, האחד--השניים, יעמדו נגדו; והחוט, המשולש, לא במהרה, יינתק

[PlatinumGuy]

Wind turbines in the Arctic Circle in Sweden work in temperatures as low as -22 degrees Fahrenheit. https://t.co/qazM4x2Ygl

— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) February 17, 2021

Same in Antarctica, Canadian praries, Denmark, and Alaska

[avromie7]

I didn't say evidence. I said talk. (straw man)

Remember, there is not only production loss, refineries are shut in as well (oil can not be processed) add export and imports problems due to port traffic issues. https://t.co/oUQFJuTEFq

— Tracy (𝒞𝒽𝒾 ) (@chigrl) February 18, 2021

This is huge.

“Texas produces more gas than any other state, w/output at ~23B cubic feet/day before deep freeze, ~25%of total production from Lower 48 states. Its two liquefied natural gas export terminals consumed about 4B cubic feet/day of gas before the polar blast.” https://t.co/jxfeSnvBFt

— Danielle DiMartino Booth (@DiMartinoBooth) February 17, 2021

I wasn't trying to attack you, I just hadn't seen anyone talk about any global cascade. I honestly don't see this having any real effect on the global market, the outage will be too short for that.

Silly ad hominem attitude. שמע את האמת ממי שאמרה.

There is legitimate reason for them to stay separate and there are legitimate reasons not to over regulate. The Lincoln project has an anti cruz agenda that has nothing to do with the facts at hand.

Why is that? Short power from NG, transmit power from other states. Oops, we're not connected.


ט טובים השניים, מן-האחד:  אשר יש-להם שכר טוב, בעמלם.  י כי אם-ייפולו, האחד יקים את-חברו; ואילו, האחד שייפול, ואין שני, להקימו.  יא גם אם-ישכבו שניים, וחם להם; ולאחד, איך ייחם.  יב ואם-יתקפו, האחד--השניים, יעמדו נגדו; והחוט, המשולש, לא במהרה, יינתק

1) I'm referring to the fact that there are homes that don't have gas because there's a gas shortage.

2) there's a limit to how much power you can import, the transmission lines can only bring in so much. Whether or not that would have been enough is not something I can answer.

I usually just skip right over whatever you write in Hebrew, of it's important enough you'll have to write it in english.

[avromie7]

Wind turbines in the Arctic Circle in Sweden work in temperatures as low as -22 degrees Fahrenheit. https://t.co/qazM4x2Ygl

— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) February 17, 2021

Same in Antarctica, Canadian praries, Denmark, and Alaska

Would those wind turbines work well in 100+ degree Texas heat? (I don't know the answer, but unless we know the answer is yes this tweet is worthless.)

[Lurker]

I usually just skip right over whatever you write in Hebrew, of it's important enough you'll have to write it in english.

+1K. Getting a little out of hand...

[Jellybelly]

I usually just skip right over whatever you write in Hebrew, of it's important enough you'll have to write it in english.

You�d be better  off skipping the English too

[Euclid]

+1K. Getting a little out of hand...

It's a strategy to ensure nothing gets deleted (shaimos).

[S209]

Where do you see any evidence of anything global cascading from this?

Please keep the Lincoln project out of any serious discussion.

While being connected to a larger grid would have helped Texas this week, the crux of the issue (without getting into the political blame game) is the fact that ERCOT was not properly prepared for the worst case scenario when it happened. Also, the NG shortage would be little helped by the electric being connected to the larger grid.

Not gonna lie, I�m more than a little curious what @Something Fishy modified in this post.

[PlatinumGuy]

Not gonna lie, I�m more than a little curious what @Something Fishy modified in this post.

Nothing noteworthy as far I can remember

[Something Fishy]

Not gonna lie, I�m more than a little curious what @Something Fishy modified in this post.

@avromie7 had quoted the entire OP. I deleted the quoted tweets to avoid duplication and a ton of scrolling.

[S209]

@avromie7 had quoted the entire OP. I deleted the quoted tweets to avoid duplication and a ton of scrolling.

Worth 3 likes in my book.

[PlatinumGuy]

The Lincoln project has an anti cruz agenda that has nothing to do with the facts at hand.

1) I'm referring to the fact that there are homes that don't have gas because there's a gas shortage.

2) there's a limit to how much power you can import, the transmission lines can only bring in so much. Whether or not that would have been enough is not something I can answer.

The LP agenda is entirely irrelevant to the fact they're accurately pointing out Ted Cruz is a hack for making up a story about Califronia when it's actually true about Texas.

1) Power would solve most of the severe problem as an alternative source of heat.

2) The proof is NM AR & OK had the same storm and no power outages.

 

Would those wind turbines work well in 100+ degree Texas heat? (I don't know the answer, but unless we know the answer is yes this tweet is worthless.)

The argument is silly because wind production in Texas, even now, is outperforming expectations (or down very slightly) so it's not the problem. It's a rhetorical refutation of Abbotts claim on Fox that wind power 'Green New Deal', is fundamentally not weather resistant which is a pathetic lie. If it was Cuomo he would be crucified here.

[aygart]

And here i thought that this was in Just Shmooze to make an attempt at not being political and about political hacks on either side. Silly me.

[avromie7]

The LP agenda is entirely irrelevant to the fact they're accurately pointing out Ted Cruz is a hack for making up a story about Califronia when it's actually true about Texas.

Considering how many times the power was cut in CA over just this past year, I'd say CA has a way bigger power problem than TX.

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 The argument is silly because wind production in Texas, even now, is outperforming expectations (or down very slightly) so it's not the problem. It's a rhetorical refutation of Abbotts claim on Fox that wind power 'Green New Deal', is fundamentally not weather resistant which is a pathetic lie. If it was Cuomo he would be crucified here.

This is absolutely false. A huge amount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.

[aygart]

Considering how many times the power was cut in CA over just this past year, I'd say CA has a way bigger power problem than TX. This is absolutely false. A huge anount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.

"Expectations"

[PlatinumGuy]

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— Akrrun (@akrrun1) February 18, 2021

[avromie7]

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— Akrrun (@akrrun1) February 18, 2021

If the purpose of this thread was to bash Cruz, you should have put it in the title.

[PlatinumGuy]

This is absolutely false. A huge amount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.

All sources came up short, but the governor’s blame is misplaced. The facts are, wind + solar came up 1 GW short of what was expected for supplying winter peak demand, and gas + coal about 30 GW short. See data herehttps://t.co/y6ueMSsmCm and https://t.co/tyss5ostrC https://t.co/zLGydo6w4M

— Daniel Cohan (@cohan_ds) February 17, 2021

would have been no problem. The professor explained that to you & your take is “so they expected wind powered to die”.

— Ted Spradley (@uh_csc) February 16, 2021