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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2021, 12:30:16 AM »
The LP agenda is entirely irrelevant to the fact they're accurately pointing out Ted Cruz is a hack for making up a story about Califronia when it's actually true about Texas.

Considering how many times the power was cut in CA over just this past year, I'd say CA has a way bigger power problem than TX.
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 The argument is silly because wind production in Texas, even now, is outperforming expectations (or down very slightly) so it's not the problem. It's a rhetorical refutation of Abbotts claim on Fox that wind power 'Green New Deal', is fundamentally not weather resistant which is a pathetic lie. If it was Cuomo he would be crucified here.
This is absolutely false. A huge amount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2021, 12:36:33 AM »
Considering how many times the power was cut in CA over just this past year, I'd say CA has a way bigger power problem than TX. This is absolutely false. A huge anount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2021, 12:41:33 AM »
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2021, 12:44:10 AM »
If the purpose of this thread was to bash Cruz, you should have put it in the title.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2021, 12:51:40 AM »
This is absolutely false. A huge amount of the wind production is offline due to freezing.


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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2021, 01:29:36 AM »
On average, renewable energy sources - mostly wind - account for about 20% of its energy supply .
On Tuesday, the state's principal energy supplier, the Electricity Reliability Council of Texas (Ercot), said the freezing conditions had led to :

30GW being taken offline from gas, coal and nuclear sources
a 16GW loss in capacity in wind and other renewable energy supplies

In other words, 80% of the capacity resulted in 30GW worth of outages. If the 20% of wind capacity performed the same,it wouldve lost just 7.5GW, compared to the more than double it lost. That 8.5GW of extra capacity lost may have been the difference between outages and everything running normally (or at least a lot less outages).

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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2021, 01:39:16 AM »
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2021, 01:47:46 AM »
@mods please move this thread to the Politics board

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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2021, 01:55:21 AM »
On average, renewable energy sources - mostly wind - account for about 20% of its energy supply .
On Tuesday, the state's principal energy supplier, the Electricity Reliability Council of Texas (Ercot), said the freezing conditions had led to :

30GW being taken offline from gas, coal and nuclear sources
a 16GW loss in capacity in wind and other renewable energy supplies

In other words, 80% of the capacity resulted in 30GW worth of outages. If the 20% of wind capacity performed the same,it wouldve lost just 7.5GW, compared to the more than double it lost. That 8.5GW of extra capacity lost may have been the difference between outages and everything running normally (or at least a lot less outages).

Texas is short at least 18.5 GW. 8.5 GW alone would not solve the problem. Regardless, wind power fundamentally can function just fine in this weather, the only problem is Texas didnt prepare their turbines for it bc its a big investment for an incredibly rare event, and they assumed theyd have NG.

Wind is producing just as much as Texas planned for it to produce now, and there was nothing stopping them from weather proofing it to make it produce more now. 


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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2021, 04:42:46 AM »
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2021, 06:49:54 AM »
As you see here, they actually have access to the main grid, the problem is the main grid is also stretched to the max.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2021, 09:19:17 AM »
As you see here, they actually have access to the main grid, the problem is the main grid is also stretched to the max.

#facts

Of course there were missteps here, but anyone going for the quick political shot, whether a polititian or not, is a hack. There are SO MANY factors involved. Many items being mentioned by hacks on both sides have merit to them, but none are THE thing. The TX energy market is different than any other in the country. Their regulatory schemes have both advantages and disadvantages over others. Just like any other regualtory scheme devised by man. Until this event, the TX structure has outperformed any other in the country both in reliability and in cost. There are some shortcomings in the system being laid bare here and there will probably be changes to the market. SOme of the shortcomings were either known or foreseeable and some not.
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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2021, 12:06:44 PM »


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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2021, 12:21:18 PM »
@mods please move this thread to the Politics board

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Re: Ice Age in Texas
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2021, 12:38:43 PM »
#facts

Of course there were missteps here, but anyone going for the quick political shot, whether a polititian or not, is a hack. There are SO MANY factors involved. Many items being mentioned by hacks on both sides have merit to them, but none are THE thing. The TX energy market is different than any other in the country. Their regulatory schemes have both advantages and disadvantages over others. Just like any other regualtory scheme devised by man. Until this event, the TX structure has outperformed any other in the country both in reliability and in cost. There are some shortcomings in the system being laid bare here and there will probably be changes to the market. SOme of the shortcomings were either known or foreseeable and some not.

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