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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2021, 09:25:39 AM »
#1- Dividends are a taxable event, so you do owe tax on that immediately, even if you reinvest it (and if you do, your tax basis would then increase). Non dividend growth is only considered a taxable event when you sell the stock and realize the gains.
#2- What the previous poster was saying about not paying tax on an IRA until retirement refers to the income tax on the money in which you fund the IRA. In a regular brokerage account, you'll be using post-tax money, so you were already charged income tax on it, whereas an IRA defers the income tax.
#3- If you are currently in a low tax bracket, I'd recommend you open a Roth IRA rather than a traditional IRA. A Roth IRA allows you to put in post-tax money (just like a regular brokerage account), but you will then be able to cash out all gains in retirement entirely tax free. It also offers added flexibility, in that you can withdraw contributions (as opposed to the earnings) at any time penalty free.
#4- You're not going to be able to gather enough knowledge on these topics via asking a few questions on DDF. It's a great start, but there are a wealth of resources online (e.g. Google, YouTube, Investopedia, Bogelhead, Reddit) which can take your knowledge miles further if you are interested in learning more.
You do not pay taxes on dividends or gains inside an IRA. You do pay tax on the entire amount once you withdraw as ordinary income.
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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2021, 10:17:59 AM »
I want to do a backdoor ROTH IRA conversion but have money in a SEP and traditional IRA already. I know you can move that money into a 401k to avoid pro rata rules. Can I create a new business entity so I can open a solo 401k?

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2021, 10:57:10 AM »
You do not pay taxes on dividends or gains inside an IRA. You do pay tax on the entire amount once you withdraw as ordinary income.
Correct, but the comment I responded to was specifically referring to non-IRA brokerage accounts.

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2021, 09:12:39 PM »
Correct, but the comment I responded to was specifically referring to non-IRA brokerage accounts.

I think he was referring to your #2

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2021, 09:36:08 PM »
Everything I read about personal finances needs major tweaking to make it relevant to a frum family. (EG send to public school instead of private school is not usually an optionand not everyone will move to CLE)


Maybe it's time to open a new forum (or thread). "The Frum Family Forum for Financial Freedom"

Step 1: Earn much more than if you weren't a frum family

Step 2: Now you can follow the typical personal finance advice

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2021, 11:03:48 PM »
I think he was referring to your #2
Oh ok. I guess that was to point out an additional tax benefit, a level beyond what I explained. Fair enough.

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2021, 11:28:56 PM »
I posted in the tax thread regarding MAGI, and someone replied that only a traditional IRA will lower MAGI, not a roth IRA.

Will a backdoor Roth IRA lower my MAGI since I'm initially putting it into a TIRA, or it won't since I'm not actually taking the tax benefit?

If this isn't the correct thread for this question, please let me know.

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2021, 11:48:02 PM »
I posted in the tax thread regarding MAGI, and someone replied that only a traditional IRA will lower MAGI, not a roth IRA.

Will a backdoor Roth IRA lower my MAGI since I'm initially putting it into a TIRA, or it won't since I'm not actually taking the tax benefit?

If this isn't the correct thread for this question, please let me know.
If I’m understanding you correctly. Whatever amount you are converting would affect your AGI but not MAGI.

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2021, 01:02:27 AM »
I posted in the tax thread regarding MAGI, and someone replied that only a traditional IRA will lower MAGI, not a roth IRA.

Will a backdoor Roth IRA lower my MAGI since I'm initially putting it into a TIRA, or it won't since I'm not actually taking the tax benefit?

If this isn't the correct thread for this question, please let me know.

See step 2.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042214/how-can-i-fund-roth-ira-if-my-income-too-high-make-direct-contributions.asp#the-backdoor-roth-ira-strategy


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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2021, 12:49:58 PM »
Thank you !

So basically it won't work for what I'm trying to accomplish. 

Appreciate it.
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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2021, 06:58:39 PM »
Thank you !

So basically it won't work for what I'm trying to accomplish. 

Appreciate it.

What are you trying to accomplish?

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2021, 03:07:15 AM »
What are you trying to accomplish?
I'm trying to lower my MAGI to meet the guidelines for Medicaid eligibility.

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2021, 06:59:43 PM »
I'm trying to lower my MAGI to meet the guidelines for Medicaid eligibility.
So why would you open a backdoor IRA? Am I missing something

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2021, 11:04:46 PM »
Have a few quick questions about a ROTH IRA. Not traditional. If me and my wife both earned money this year, can I open up 2 Roth accounts and put 6k in each account for a total of 12k, or is it limited to family/couple?

2nd of all - I’m not sure how I want to invest the money. Can I transfer the money now to the Roth account, and decide in which stock/mutual fund/etf I wanna invest at a later date (after may 17 this year) meaning as long as the money is in the brokerage account before the tax deadline but not invested is that ok to qualify for the 2020 tax year?

Third of all - can I take out my contributions tax free and penalty free AT ANY TIME??

thanks

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2021, 11:10:30 PM »
Have a few quick questions about a ROTH IRA. Not traditional. If me and my wife both earned money this year, can I open up 2 Roth accounts and put 6k in each account for a total of 12k, or is it limited to family/couple?
Its 6K per person.

2nd of all - I’m not sure how I want to invest the money. Can I transfer the money now to the Roth account, and decide in which stock/mutual fund/etf I wanna invest at a later date (after may 17 this year) meaning as long as the money is in the brokerage account before the tax deadline but not invested is that ok to qualify for the 2020 tax year?
Correct. Once its in the Roth you may invest it whenever you wish.

Third of all - can I take out my contributions tax free and penalty free AT ANY TIME??
In general, you can withdraw your Roth IRA contributions at any time. But you can only pull the earnings out of a Roth IRA after age 59 1/2 and after owning the account for at least five years. Withdrawing that money earlier can trigger taxes and an 10% early withdrawal penalty. However, there are several exceptions :
You're withdrawing up to $10,000 to buy your first home.

You're withdrawing up to $5,000 in the year after the birth or adoption of your child.

The withdrawal is for qualified education expenses.

The withdrawal is for unreimbursed medical expenses in excess of 7.5% of your adjusted gross income for the year.

The withdrawal is for health insurance premiums while you're unemployed.

The withdrawal is due to disability.

The withdrawal is made to a beneficiary or your estate after your death.

You decide to take substantially equal payments, which basically locks you into taking at least one distribution per year for at least five years or until you turn 59½, whichever comes last.

The withdrawal is due to an IRS levy.


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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2021, 12:28:29 AM »
thanks @bubkiz

does anyone know of a good brokerage to use for a Roth IRA? preferably free. was reading reviews online but would wanna hear personally from others that have one

thanks

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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2021, 12:34:26 AM »
thanks @bubkiz

does anyone know of a good brokerage to use for a Roth IRA? preferably free. was reading reviews online but would wanna hear personally from others that have one

thanks
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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2021, 12:54:17 AM »
thanks @bubkiz

does anyone know of a good brokerage to use for a Roth IRA? preferably free. was reading reviews online but would wanna hear personally from others that have one

thanks

It depends on your preference. I have them with Fidelity, Schwab and TDAmeritrade (which was acquired by Schwab but for now still separate).

Each has its strengths and weaknesses. It also depends on what instruments you want to invest or trade. As well as your liking of the interface and tools.
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Re: Help with online Traditional IRA account
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2021, 01:30:42 PM »

This is incorrect. With RIRA one can withdraw the contributions at any time, for any reason, with no tax or penalties.