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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #180 on: March 12, 2021, 01:39:01 PM »
How far is the J'lem - Dead Sea/Masada drive? Is Google generally reliable for this?
Google looks right, about an hour to Ein Gedi, though Jerusalem traffic can add more time depending on where you are.
I think you can do Masada+Dead Sea+Ein Gedi in a long day trip, unless you want to do extensive photography as well.

Friday and Shabbos isn't nearly enough to cover Geula, old city, city of david, ramparts walk, kotel tunnel tour, arab quarter tour, etc, etc. Need 2 more days probably.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #181 on: March 12, 2021, 01:41:28 PM »
Google looks right, about an hour to Ein Gedi, though Jerusalem traffic can add more time depending on where you are.
I think you can do Masada+Dead Sea+Ein Gedi in a long day trip, unless you want to do extensive photography as well.

Friday and Shabbos isn't nearly enough to cover Geula, old city, city of david, ramparts walk, kotel tunnel tour, arab quarter tour, etc. Need 2 more days probably.
Not even that long of a day, if you do masada night show as well, then it's a very long day. I've done Jerusalem-masada-ein gedi- masada night show in a day.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #183 on: March 12, 2021, 01:47:18 PM »
Not even that long of a day
Depends which Ein Gedi hike you do.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #184 on: March 12, 2021, 01:52:04 PM »
In Herzliya? Everyone gave me the green light for it.

Interesting. I guess "everyone" you asked might have given you the green light.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #185 on: March 12, 2021, 01:52:21 PM »
Depends which Ein Gedi hike you do.
True.

To be clear, ein gedi hike doesn't compare to anything in HI etc.

Could easily skip it if it means more time for a good museum you'll only find in Israel IMO. There is also an ancient shul around there that's really cool, a tour guide I know https://www.chonigoldberg.com/ gives a tour of that region/day trip and I've heard rave reviews from family that have done it. In general highly highly recommend him. Everyone I know that used him raves about his tours.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #186 on: March 12, 2021, 01:54:16 PM »
Interesting. I guess "everyone" you asked might have given you the green light.
Well yes, I didn't poll the world.
But I asked many strict people and got the green light from all.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #187 on: March 12, 2021, 01:54:41 PM »
A bunch of people are recommending the Churvah... What's so interesting there?
I'll explain why I am so enamored by the Churva, though this reason may not be universally appreciated.

The Old City has unfortunately become almost a tourist center. As most people know, even the Kosel can only really be appreciated at night, when tourists are sleeping and frum people are basically the only one's flooding the holy area. The Yiddish feeling has almost been completely erased from the Old City's outward look, as every landmark and holy site has been overtaken by throngs of camera-toting foreigners or Zionist ideologicals who don't represent the yeshivish mindset.

The Churva should be the quintessential destination of that sort. It's very name and history tell the story of how it was destroyed and then rebuilt - a Zionistic legend, and the impressive, tall structure can impress any sightseer. Indeed, hundreds of tourists pass through it every day.

But...

The tourists cannot enter the bais medrash. They merely peek in from the hallway outside, or ascent to the balconies above and look down at it. In the bais medrash, a mere two minute walk from the kosel, there is a vibrant kollel of yeshivaleit learning, each member involved in a Rashba or lost in a Rav Chaim Brisker. I've personally spent numerous sedorim in the bais medrash while I was learning in Eretz Yisroel, completely tuning out the stream of tourists looking in from the hallway. (There is a back door that goes directly into the Bais Medrash, which the kollel-members use, and I've gotten the combonation when I was there.)

The oasis of pure Torah learning in the epicenter of what has unfortunately become tourist-land is something that has always been so alluring to me. And it is why my Churva recommendation did not say, "visit the Churva," rather, "learn a seder in the Churva."

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #188 on: March 12, 2021, 01:56:39 PM »
Well yes, I didn't poll the world.
But I asked many strict people and got the green light from all.

Locals, that know a thing or two about the Kashrus industry?
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #189 on: March 12, 2021, 01:59:35 PM »
Depends which Ein Gedi hike you do.

My childhood memories are of a hiking trip with school or some other group, stopping to rest at a small pool where we could fill up with some spring water, when all of the sudden the was a commotion. Turns out a saw-scaled viper made its way just between our guide's feet. Remember summer is snake and scorpion season.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #190 on: March 12, 2021, 02:01:00 PM »
the Kashrus industry?
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #191 on: March 12, 2021, 02:04:09 PM »
Whenever I'm reading a thread about a Something Fishy trip, I expect to do a lot of scrolling. But the scrolling is not usually because Dan and JJ (each with their comprehensive credentials listed in their bios) are having a back-and-forth.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #192 on: March 12, 2021, 02:07:22 PM »
Locals, that know a thing or two about the Kashrus industry?
FWIW, it was Chasam Sofer Bnei Brak.
I'm sure some will say that's treif as the wind and others will say it's perfect.
Nunu. No such thing as a consensus for Israeli kashrus.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #193 on: March 12, 2021, 02:10:41 PM »
each with their comprehensive credentials listed in their bios

#fakenews

All JJ's profile has are some old and outdated instructions about searching without the help of TimT
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #194 on: March 12, 2021, 02:16:13 PM »
Locals, that know a thing or two about the Kashrus industry?

Are there any non-Chabad-family-run restaurants you'd eat at in Israel?
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #195 on: March 12, 2021, 02:18:21 PM »
FWIW, it was Chasam Sofer Bnei Brak.
I'm sure some will say that's treif as the wind and others will say it's perfect.
Nunu. No such thing as a consensus for Israeli kashrus.

Thank you for that info. It's relevant for someone to be aware of and ask their own sources regarding the reliability. I'm not saying kosher or not, just that it's good to know what the hashgacha is.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #196 on: March 12, 2021, 02:20:56 PM »
Thank you for that info. It's relevant for someone to be aware of and ask their own sources regarding the reliability. I'm not saying kosher or not, just that it's good to know what the hashgacha is.
This is true for everywhere. It's just that Israel is a special kind of nightmare as there's no consensus as there is elsewhere in the world.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #197 on: March 12, 2021, 02:35:51 PM »
FWIW, it was Chasam Sofer Bnei Brak.
I'm sure some will say that's treif as the wind and others will say it's perfect.
Nunu. No such thing as a consensus for Israeli kashrus.

It seems like it is now under Bdtz Beit Yosef.

I doubt anyone would say treif.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #198 on: March 12, 2021, 02:43:32 PM »
It seems like it is now under Bdtz Beit Yosef.

I doubt anyone would say treif.
Could be under both?
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #199 on: March 12, 2021, 02:44:35 PM »
Are there any non-Chabad-family-run restaurants you'd eat at in Israel?

What I would or wouldn't do is irrelevant. I don't think anyone would have doubts about a place under Badatz Eida Chareidis or Rav Landa Bnei-Brak.

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I'm not talking about people that run organizations or have a bone to pick. I am talking about actual people who are experts in the field, have worked and witnessed many hashgachos.  FWIW - restaurant (and hotel) kashrus is extremely complicated and challenging. With the best hashgocho - unless you can trust the owner, you might run into problems.
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