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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #80 on: March 10, 2021, 01:31:40 AM »

At this stage it seems like a trip in a lifetime. I'd say do a month in Israel
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I did a month in Israel for my first trip. Was amazing!

Also, bring your kid :D
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #81 on: March 10, 2021, 01:32:47 AM »
Where exactly do Satmar chasidim not go?
Past the turnstile by the security gate, so the Zionist's don't include you in the count of how many come to the kotel

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #82 on: March 10, 2021, 01:38:33 AM »


As far as hotels, we are absolutely not fans of large and/or fancy places. We're way happier off in an interesting Airbnb than a 5-star resort. We value uniqueness - and our budget - way more than aspirational (for some) properties.

Ditch the WAJ, and rent an apt in the "אונגארישע הייזער"

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #83 on: March 10, 2021, 01:47:08 AM »


What's the point  ::)

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #84 on: March 10, 2021, 05:38:58 AM »
Arab quarter tour with @satturn is fantastic!
Ramparts walk on the old city walls is a must do as well.
Thanks!!!

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2021, 05:39:41 AM »
@satturn?
Lol- im down for a challenge!

but this option might work! No need to cross the green line! And you can legally visit the Kosel this way.
https://www.secretsoftheoldcity.com/

Does that count? ;)

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #86 on: March 10, 2021, 08:07:30 AM »
Indeed, gonna have to narrow those down eventually.


In the summer as well?


So all those can be done in a day or is is better to overnight in the area or something?

And yeah, not gonna waste time in Israel for underwhelming scuba.
Masada, ein gedi, and yam hamelach can be all done in 1 day for sure. The hike up masada starts about an hour before neitz, so better to be local for the night before

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2021, 08:25:33 AM »

ALOL, now that's something I didn't expect to hear.


Was only half joking. Eretz Yisroel isn't just a tourist destination.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2021, 08:28:41 AM »
Renting a car is a must.
If you need a tour guide in the old city, Tzvi satt is amazing

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2021, 08:29:46 AM »
Tzvi satt is amazing

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2021, 09:21:08 AM »
I never hiked Masada but I also never walked up the stairs of the empire state building. As far as hikes go, they don't look too far off from each other.

It's just a path winding back and forth.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2021, 09:23:04 AM »
I never hiked Masada but I also never walked up the stairs of the empire state building. As far as hikes go, they don't look too far off from each other.

It's just a path winding back and forth.

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I don't think the cable cars will get you there for dawn if that's the goal.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2021, 09:45:30 AM »
Oh my poor poor forehead. It still hasn't healed properly.

Re. 17 Tammuz, fasting on a trip is no fun. Also, if I move up the trip, instead of leaving Sunday I'd need to leave on Wednesday unless I want to end up in Gander for Shabbos (or do I have it all wrong :-X).
But you do want to end up in Gander... (unless that would mean a 24 hour fast?)

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2021, 09:49:29 AM »
anywhere past the green line (1967 war)
Totally not true. They will go anywhere besides the Kosel plaza. The Aish roof is a popular look out with Satmarer Chassidim, as well as Har HaTzofim.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2021, 10:05:22 AM »
My input on this whole conversation:

Don't overfill your schedule!

This is not Alaska, or Antarctica, or any other tourist location where you can swoop in and snap some pictures and check it off the bucket list. This is a country with a beautiful Jewish culture that you will not find elsewhere in the world. While you could surely spend some time running around to the country's amazing sights and attractions, you should set aside some serious time to wander the neighborhoods of Yerushalayim.

If you would go to the Old City, I would say to spend a few hours at the Kosel and learn a seder in the churva shul. If you don't want to venture into that territory, spend a few afternoons walking Geula, Me'eh She'arim, or as @ushdadude wrote, spend a second seder at the Mir. Speak to local Yerushalmi's and get a feel for their way of life. You can walk away with a sense of mesiras nefesh for Yiddishkeit that you will not see anywhere in the world.

Note, I'm not referring to the Kedushah of the land, which is subject to your hashkafic understanding. What I'm stressing is the genre of Yidden and Yiddishkeit that exists there. It's not something you zoom through, but you stop, focus, think, and savor.

Just my thoughts. (Obviously.)

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2021, 10:37:57 AM »
Adding to my previous post, I'll note some specific recommendations. I made a list on this map (which is a picture of a physical map. Location on Google Maps is here.)

I'm sure others will have many other recommendations for other sites on this map. Here are mine, as labeled on the map:

1- Zichron Moshe shteibel. It's the Yerushalmi version of Shomer Shabbos in Boro Park.
2- Kikar Shabbos. The intersection the brings five major streets together (Me'ah Shearim, Yecheskal, Malchei Yisroel, Yeshayahu, and Strauss). Location to many hafganos. Meaningful shopping and restaurants in the surrounding streets.
3- Yeshivas Brisk (Rav Avrohom Yehoshuah Soloveitchik)
4- Probably not much of an attraction anymore, but that was Rav Dovid Soloceitchik's house. Until last month, you were able to walk up and peak in the window to see him.
5- Har Tzvi. A convenient shteibel that gives you a glimpse of Yerushalmi life while being new enough for spoiled Americans. Incidentally, the two sides of the shul feature "mens" and "womans" passing signs.
6- Mir Yeshiva. There are a few buildings on the block. You may want to ask some of the American bochurim on the street where you can find Rav Asher Arieli, or any of the other gedolei Torah that sit in the various batei medrash there. Just walk in quietly and watch them learn.
7- The hardcore Me'eh Shearim residential neighborhood. Not much American-geared attractions here. Just crammed housing and Yerushalmi boys running around.
8- Benny's Supermarket. You can find many American style products here. This is just one of the few stores in the area that serve the tourists and American bochurim who are in the many diras in the surrounding blocks.




ETA: There are numerous other gedolim who live in small, nondescript houses on this map. Rav Gamliel Rabinowitz, Rav Yaakov Moshe Schechter, etc. If you are interested in visiting any, post and I'm sure there are DDFers who can direct you with an exact address.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2021, 10:46:45 AM »
Rav Yaakov Meir Schechter,
FTFY.
Overall I believe it makes sense to rent an apartment within your map.

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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2021, 10:50:25 AM »

Here's the current itinerary:

Sunday: Depart JFK 11:45p, direct on DL.
Monday: Arrive TLV 5:35p.


Have you been on the Delta One 330-900 suites? I'm not sure your feet will fit properly in the footwell.
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2021, 10:50:52 AM »
If you would go to the Old City, I would say to spend a few hours at the Kosel
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Re: Something Fishy's First Trip to Israel - Planning Thread
« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2021, 10:51:28 AM »
Have you been on the Delta One 330-900 suites? I'm not sure your feet will fit properly in the footwell.
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