Author Topic: Vaccine Mandates (Read 103371 times)

CountValentine · « **Reply #280 on:** October 19, 2021, 06:53:22 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 18, 2021, 12:52:06 PM

Both sides playing hardball.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-cpd-memo-threatens-investigation-termination-for-cops-not-compliant-with-vaccination-reporting-deadline-invalid-says-fop/ar-AAPFkSh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

It has started.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cpd-officers-speak-out-after-being-placed-on-unpaid-status-due-to-covid-vaccine-mandate/ar-AAPGeKR?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

neveryou · « **Reply #281 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:14:44 AM »

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/19/southwest-vaccine-mandate-unpaid-leave-exemptions.html

I'm wondering why southwest changed? I thought all those cancellations and delays had nothing to do with the vaccine

CountValentine · « **Reply #282 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:26:24 AM »

Quote from: neveryou on October 19, 2021, 10:14:44 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/19/southwest-vaccine-mandate-unpaid-leave-exemptions.html

I'm wondering why southwest changed? I thought all those cancellations and delays had nothing to do with the vaccine

Changed what? They will be on unpaid leave?
Get vaccinated or don't work!!!

CountValentine · « **Reply #283 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:27:27 AM »

They need to move to vaccinated or you don't fly!!!

AsherO · « **Reply #284 on:** October 19, 2021, 01:01:15 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 19, 2021, 10:27:27 AM

They need to move to vaccinated or you don't fly!!!

There has been talks about this in some countries (Canada, NZ), not sure how far it's progressed.

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #285 on:** October 19, 2021, 02:20:55 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 19, 2021, 10:27:27 AM

They need to move to vaccinated or you don't fly!!!

What a dictatorial proposition.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #286 on:** October 19, 2021, 02:32:59 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 19, 2021, 10:27:27 AM

They need to move to vaccinated or you don't fly!!!

What's your reasoning, because of safety for others also flying? Punishment? Incentive? Other?

neveryou · « **Reply #287 on:** October 19, 2021, 04:48:39 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 19, 2021, 10:26:24 AM

Changed what? They will be on unpaid leave?
Get vaccinated or don't work!!!

Tell me you didn't read it without saying you didn't read it

Southwest is not going to put people on unpaid leave that have pending vaccine exemptions

I think it was the weather that affected southwest from last week that affected this decision

CountValentine · « **Reply #288 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:06:00 PM »

Quote from: neveryou on October 19, 2021, 04:48:39 PM

Tell me you didn't read it without saying you didn't read it

Southwest is not going to put people on unpaid leave that have pending vaccine exemptions

I think it was the weather that affected southwest from last week that affected this decision

Those refusing to get vaccinated (not pending exemptions) will be put on unpaid leave.
I feel it is reasonable not to punish those with exemptions you didn't process so far.

CountValentine · « **Reply #289 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:07:08 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on October 19, 2021, 02:32:59 PM

What's your reasoning, because of safety for others also flying? Punishment? Incentive? Other?

Get as many as we can vaccinated to try and get this under control.

CountValentine · « **Reply #290 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:08:27 PM »

Quote from: Kobe Bryant on October 19, 2021, 02:20:55 PM

What a dictatorial proposition.

Like wearing seatbelts when it doesn't protect anyone else like vaccines do?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #291 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:29:23 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 19, 2021, 08:07:08 PM

Get as many as we can vaccinated to try and get this under control.

What does under control mean? What threshold needs to be attained?

Should we stop allowing obese people on planes until we get that under control? What about drunk drivers, should we not allow anyone with a DUI on planes?

Euclid · « **Reply #292 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:30:57 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on October 19, 2021, 08:29:23 PM

Should we stop allowing obese people on planes until we get that under control?

(They should be forced to buy multiple seats

)

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #293 on:** October 20, 2021, 07:56:22 AM »

Mayor Bill de Blasio announced on Wednesday that New York City will require all municipal workers -- including first responders such as firefighters and police officers -- to get at least one vaccine dose by October 29th. After that date, they will no longer be able to opt-out through weekly coronavirus testing.

As an incentive, city employees will have $500 added to their paychecks for receiving their first shot at a city-run vaccination site. Those who remain unvaccinated will be placed on unpaid leave until they show proof of inoculation to their supervisor.

The mayor said the order would apply to approximately 160,500 city workers. Of those employees, about 71% have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine.

CountValentine · « **Reply #294 on:** October 20, 2021, 08:40:50 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on October 19, 2021, 08:29:23 PM

Should we stop allowing obese people on planes until we get that under control? What about drunk drivers, should we not allow anyone with a DUI on planes?

These are nonsensical arguments. I am surprised you of all people would keep pushing this nonsense.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #295 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:24:29 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 20, 2021, 08:40:50 AM

These are nonsensical arguments. I am surprised you of all people would keep pushing this nonsense.

That's the point. You're throwing out a ban on flying without any kind of reasoning or any threshold for an end point. If you're going to suggest such far reaching measures, at least be able to back it up with sound reasoning and somewhat of a framework for how and how long it should work.

CountValentine · « **Reply #296 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:28:18 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on October 20, 2021, 09:24:29 AM

That's the point. You're throwing out a ban on flying without any kind of reasoning or any threshold for an end point. If you're going to suggest such far reaching measures, at least be able to back it up with sound reasoning and somewhat of a framework for how and how long it should work.

No reasoning? The more people that are vaccinated the less chance of getting covid or do you dispute that?

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #297 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:30:38 AM »

aygart · « **Reply #298 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 20, 2021, 09:28:18 AM

No reasoning? The more people that are vaccinated the less chance of getting covid or do you dispute that?

But why flights of all things? Why not entry to liquor stores?

JlmBoi · « **Reply #299 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:34:25 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on October 20, 2021, 09:28:18 AM

No reasoning? The more people that are vaccinated the less chance of getting covid or do you dispute that?

If I understand correctly there is a minimum threshold where under that you aren't going to be able to eradicate the virus. And unless the entire would mandates vaccines, countries would need to hermetically seal their borders to have this effect in micro. Also, even if one accepts the certainty of everyone vaccinating at the same time eradicating the virus, there is the issue of what you can mandate for recovered people and kids. Right now I'm not hearing you say anything practical.