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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #360 on: October 21, 2021, 12:12:42 AM »
I have no idea but if you look at the places that enforce the mandate their figures are way above the national average.
Well yeah, they fired those who didn't.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #361 on: October 21, 2021, 12:15:22 AM »
Well yeah, they fired those who didn't.
Look at the figures before firing. They are way above the national average. You can argue for/against but the fact is the mandates are working to get more people vaccinated. That results in saving lives!!!
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #362 on: October 21, 2021, 12:17:15 AM »
I have no idea but if you look at the places that enforce the mandate their figures are way above the national average.

Correlation ≠ causation. Places that enforce mandates are more liberal leaning and have higher vax rates to begin with.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #363 on: October 21, 2021, 12:20:24 AM »
Correlation ≠ causation. Places that enforce mandates are more liberal leaning and have higher vax rates to begin with.
No one had a 99% rate for vaccination + exemptions. The most liberal states have nothing approaching that.
The major airlines all have high vaccination rates. Are they all liberal?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #364 on: October 21, 2021, 12:39:55 AM »
No one had a 99% rate for vaccination + exemptions. The most liberal states have nothing approaching that.
The major airlines all have high vaccination rates. Are they all liberal?

Likely not, but in their case it’s simply a business decision. If employers want to enforce their own vaccination policies, I’m fine with that.

Maybe I should point out because I was a bit confused earlier - for me - mandate means it’s a govt policy and potentially infringing constitutional rights. And while infringing these rights may increase the vaccination rate and overall health, our country has fought many wars and sacrificed millions of citizens to uphold these rights. An airline employee vaccination policy would not held to the same standards.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #365 on: October 21, 2021, 12:45:34 AM »
Likely not, but in their case it’s simply a business decision. If employers want to enforce their own vaccination policies, I’m fine with that.

Maybe I should point out because I was a bit confused earlier - for me - mandate means it’s a govt policy and potentially infringing constitutional rights. And while infringing these rights may increase the vaccination rate and overall health, our country has fought many wars and sacrificed millions of citizens to uphold these rights. An airline employee vaccination policy would not held to the same standards.
I have no issue with your points even if I disagree. 
My point is mandates work in a big way to get more people vaccinated. Here is UA: United Airlines achieved an employee vaccination rate of more than 99.5 percent of eligible non-exempt employees through a mandate.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #366 on: October 21, 2021, 06:51:42 AM »
Next step: mandating vaccination against the big bad flu that is so dangerous for college kids.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #367 on: October 21, 2021, 08:53:40 AM »
I have no issue with your points even if I disagree. 
My point is mandates work in a big way to get more people vaccinated. Here is UA: United Airlines achieved an employee vaccination rate of more than 99.5 percent of eligible non-exempt employees through a mandate.

I wonder how many of their employees are vaccinated vs exempt, and how one qualifies for an exemption? 

Many of the people that I know personally who are against required vaccinations would likely qualify for an exemption according to what I am assuming the criterion are (a medical condition or allergy which makes vaccination risky, etc.).

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #368 on: October 21, 2021, 09:07:49 AM »
If I want to get my child to do something, I can slap him or scream at him very viciously and it will work 100% of the time.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #369 on: October 21, 2021, 09:44:19 AM »
If I want to get my child to do something, I can slap him or scream at him very viciously and it will work 100% of the time.
That does not work on adults. You need to take away what is important to them, money!  :P
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #370 on: October 21, 2021, 09:53:57 AM »
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #372 on: October 21, 2021, 10:14:20 AM »
That does not work on adults. You need to take away what is important to them, money!  :P

Do you think hitting or vicious screaming is the correct course of action because it works in the short term to achieve a singular goal?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #373 on: October 21, 2021, 10:21:50 AM »
Do you think hitting or vicious screaming is the correct course of action because it works in the short term to achieve a singular goal?
What I think is you are going off the deep end with this nonsense.
Vaccination for kids in school is 99.99%. Did you need to hitting or viciously scream at your child?  ::)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #374 on: October 21, 2021, 10:25:39 AM »
What I think is you are going off the deep end with this nonsense.
Vaccination for kids in school is 99.99%. Did you need to hitting or viciously scream at your child?  ::)
The fact that they need to resort to this when other vaccines have such high take rates says something about this vaccine, not the people refusing it.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #375 on: October 21, 2021, 10:34:41 AM »
The fact that they need to resort to this when other vaccines have such high take rates says something about this vaccine, not the people refusing it.
Read up on your history. When school vaccines started you had the same BS being spread. The problem back then and now is the same. The people not the vaccine!!!
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #376 on: October 21, 2021, 10:38:37 AM »
What I think is you are going off the deep end with this nonsense.
Vaccination for kids in school is 99.99%. Did you need to hitting or viciously scream at your child?  ::)

Comparing other vaccines to the covid vaccines is not going to do your case any good, especially for kids.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #377 on: October 21, 2021, 10:44:28 AM »
Comparing other vaccines to the covid vaccines is not going to do your case any good, especially for kids.
You brought the kids nonsense into this, not me.
Lets see what other strawmen arguments where brought in: obesity, cars, DUI and others.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #378 on: October 21, 2021, 10:51:47 AM »
You brought the kids nonsense into this, not me.
Lets see what other strawmen arguments where brought in: obesity, cars, DUI and others.

You literally brought up vaccine mandates on kids to go to school a few posts ago.

Aside from calling them BS, you have completely ignored the crux of the issue, which is why all these things get brought up. Your pro-vaccine mandate argument is based on completely arbitrary criteria. It is without a public health goal (such as herd immunity) and is purely for individual protection, and places no safeguards on when measures infringing on personal liberties will be lifted.
There's a direct line from mandates like NY's to stuff like this.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #379 on: October 21, 2021, 10:56:04 AM »
You literally brought up vaccine mandates on kids to go to school a few posts ago.

Aside from calling them BS, you have completely ignored the crux of the issue, which is why all these things get brought up. Your pro-vaccine mandate argument is based on completely arbitrary criteria. It is without a public health goal (such as herd immunity) and is purely for individual protection, and places no safeguards on when measures infringing on personal liberties will be lifted.
The crux of the issue is it legal for the government or companies to require individuals to get vaccinated. 
Is that the vaccine says numerous lives in dispute?
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