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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #581 on: December 07, 2021, 02:28:23 PM »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #582 on: December 07, 2021, 02:35:26 PM »
Next we should allow them to not cover preexisting conditions.
Is stupidity a preexisting condition?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #583 on: December 07, 2021, 02:52:03 PM »
Is stupidity a preexisting condition?
Why should we cherry pick who can be denied coverage?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #584 on: December 07, 2021, 04:58:11 PM »
Is stupidity a preexisting condition?

This is not a road I would imagine anyone wants to go down. Does one lose dental insurance if they don't floss or skip a 6-month checkup? Does an obese patient have to disclose their eating and exercise habits before getting covered? Should a child who is 2 months late for a well-visit and contracts measles before getting vaccinated not get covered? My wife tested positive for covid on the very day she was scheduled to get vaxxed. Had she G-d forbid required hospitalization, should she have been denied coverage?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #585 on: December 07, 2021, 05:13:01 PM »
This is not a road I would imagine anyone wants to go down. Does one lose dental insurance if they don't floss or skip a 6-month checkup? Does an obese patient have to disclose their eating and exercise habits before getting covered? Should a child who is 2 months late for a well-visit and contracts measles before getting vaccinated not get covered? My wife tested positive for covid on the very day she was scheduled to get vaxxed. Had she G-d forbid required hospitalization, should she have been denied coverage?
So the slippery slope argument; pretty much sums up this thread (this board?) :)

As for your wife's scenario, there could be provisions and balances written into the implementation of this to address it.

(I'm not sure if I actually agree with it, just playing devil's advocate right now.)

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #586 on: December 07, 2021, 05:21:10 PM »
So the slippery slope argument; pretty much sums up this thread (this board?) :)

As for your wife's scenario, there could be provisions and balances written into the implementation of this to address it.
It's not a slippery slope, I'm showing how that policy is at the bottom of the hill already.

My wife had it on her own "schedule", she didn't have an appointment for a walk in shot.

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Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #587 on: December 07, 2021, 05:26:45 PM »
It's not a slippery slope, I'm showing how that policy is at the bottom of the hill already.

My wife had it on her own "schedule", she didn't have an appointment for a walk in shot.
The first few concerns are slippery slope.

Maybe your wife's scenario should be covered by this then. It would light some urgency under everyone; give a 30-45 day window to get vaccinated, anyone unvaccinated after will have to pay out of pocket.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #588 on: December 07, 2021, 05:32:34 PM »
The first few concerns are slippery slope.

Maybe your wife's scenario should be covered by this then. It would light some urgency under everyone; give a 30-45 window to get vaccinated, anyone unvaccinated after will have to pay out of pocket.
It's not slippery slope, which is getting progressively worse, it's the same level.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #589 on: December 07, 2021, 05:38:41 PM »
Is stupidity a preexisting condition?
Not to mention that these mandates only factor one form of immunization, even when other forms are better, or risk factor, such as age which makes a huge difference with covid.

This "everyone who won't vax is stupid" is quite a surprising blanket stance coming from you.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #590 on: December 07, 2021, 05:43:43 PM »
This "everyone who won't vax is stupid" is quite a surprising blanket stance coming from you.

IDK about stupidity per-se, but there are lots of people out there whose anti-vax positions appear to come from a place of ignorance. One can arguably legitimately characterize their resistance to consider the vaccine as stupidity.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #591 on: December 07, 2021, 05:53:46 PM »
IDK about stupidity per-se, but there are lots of people out there whose anti-vax positions appear to come from a place of ignorance. One can arguably legitimately characterize their resistance to consider the vaccine as stupidity.
You omitted the part of my comment which stated prefectly rational reasons many have for not wanting to take on the risks of vaccination.

And even in your defense of the everyone is stupid line, you qualify it with "lots".

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #592 on: December 07, 2021, 06:05:20 PM »
And even in your defense of the everyone is stupid line, you qualify it with "lots".
"Lots" is correct.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #593 on: December 07, 2021, 06:10:38 PM »
"Lots" is correct.
And? How does that answer or contradict my post(s)?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #594 on: December 07, 2021, 06:16:06 PM »
And? How does that answer or contradict my post(s)?
This "everyone who won't vax is stupid" is quite a surprising blanket stance coming from you.
"Everyone" is not stupid, but "lots" are.
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« Reply #595 on: December 07, 2021, 06:17:22 PM »
Not to mention that these mandates only factor one form of immunization, even when other forms are better, or risk factor, such as age which makes a huge difference with covid.

This "everyone who won't vax is stupid" is quite a surprising blanket stance coming from you.
That was a quip about the comparison to preexisting conditions. Obviously not everyone who isn't vaccinated is because of stupidity reasons; where we disagree is that I believe that most of the unvaccinated are because of stupidity, and you're more concerned with the unstupid people. I feel that it's worth the tradeoff and that it's not a slippery slope to real preexisting conditions.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #596 on: December 07, 2021, 06:21:24 PM »
Not to mention that these mandates only factor one form of immunization, even when other forms are better, or risk factor, such as age which makes a huge difference with covid.

This "everyone who won't vax is stupid" is quite a surprising blanket stance coming from you.
Let's say they would build that into this: you need to get your titers checked every 6 months, would you agree with the approach?

(That would be more akin to the dental scenario you're concerned about.)

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #597 on: December 07, 2021, 06:27:31 PM »
Maybe car insurance shouldn't cover when you're at fault.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #598 on: December 07, 2021, 06:36:59 PM »
Maybe car insurance shouldn't cover when you're at fault.
Another slippery slope argument? Let's stay focused on this specific pandemic, not some possible future concern.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #599 on: December 07, 2021, 06:38:48 PM »
Maybe car insurance shouldn't cover when you're at fault.
Your mind is running wild. How about your medical is not covered if you are not wearing your seatbelt?
Let's have examples that make a little sense at least. 
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