Vaccine Mandates

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/conservative-anger-at-vaccine-mandates-was-about-vaccines-not-mandates/ar-AAS9tdI?ocid=msedgntp

[avromie7]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/conservative-anger-at-vaccine-mandates-was-about-vaccines-not-mandates/ar-AAS9tdI?ocid=msedgntp

What a load of garbage.

[chinagel]

https://www.msn.com

What a load of garbage.

FTFY

[aygart]

What a load of garbage.
FTFY

MSN is an aggregator from all sources.

[chinagel]

MSN is an aggregator from all sources.

So?

[CountValentine]

What a load of garbage.

The truth hurts!!!

[CountValentine]

So?

Just for you. 
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/conservatives-angry-biden-spoke-truth-unvaccinated-winter-death-severe-illness.html

[avromie7]

The truth hurts!!!

Lol
There is so much BS in there I don't know where to start.

[CountValentine]

There is so much BS in there I don't know where to start.

Start with acknowledging you have a problem with vaccines.
That is step 1.

[Jeremiah]

Just for you. 
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/conservatives-angry-biden-spoke-truth-unvaccinated-winter-death-severe-illness.html

For starters, the average age of trump voter is higher than Biden voter.

[avromie7]

Start with acknowledging you have a problem with vaccines.
That is step 1.

The majority are vaccinated. If everyone had a problem with the vaccine you'd be hard pressed to find someone who is vaccinated.

[CountValentine]

The majority are vaccinated. If everyone had a problem with the vaccine you'd be hard pressed to find someone who is vaccinated.

Strawman alert!!!

No one said "everyone" has a problem with the vaccine. The majority of those who have a problem with the vaccine are from a certain wing of a political group who hide behind "my body my choice" BS.

[avromie7]

Strawman alert!!!

No one said "everyone" has a problem with the vaccine. The majority of those who have a problem with the vaccine are from a certain wing of a political group who hide behind "my body my choice" BS.

The ones hiding behind the "my body my choice" BS are on the left...

[AsherO]

Strawman alert!!!

No one said "everyone" has a problem with the vaccine. The majority of those who have a problem with the vaccine are from a certain wing of a political group who hide behind "my body my choice" BS.

The ones hiding behind the "my body my choice" BS are on the left...

Proof that on both sides this isn’t about “my body” at all, just an excuse to advance another agenda.

[as2]

Proof that on both sides this isn’t about “my body” at all, just an excuse to advance another agenda.

I have no comment (or interest) in this general argument, but I'd argue this point.


When it comes to "my body my choice" by abortion, the argument is not that you don't control your body, rather that the baby  isn't part of your body, and therefore when you have the rights to your body, abortion isn't covered.


When the phrase is used here, it's stating that I have control over my body and what I put in it.


I am not here to argue vaccines or abortions. 


While both may have positive or negative effects on others, only one of those actions directly effects another being.

[AsherO]

I have no comment (or interest) in this general argument, but I'd argue this point.


When it comes to "my body my choice" by abortion, the argument is not that you don't control your body, rather that the baby  isn't part of your body, and therefore when you have the rights to your body, abortion isn't covered.


When the phrase is used here, it's stating that I have control over my body and what I put in it.


I am not here to argue vaccines or abortions. 


While both may have positive or negative effects on others, only one of those actions directly effects another being.

No idea what you meant by your characterization of “my body, my choice” w/r/t abortions. I’m not going to defend pro-choice, but “my body, my choice” has nothing to do with whether the fetus is or isn’t a part of the body. But rather that a woman’s body is her own and she can therefore choose to undergo an abortion if she wishes to.

Pro-choice people don’t really consider fetuses “another being”. It also doesn’t seem to be about control, rather about agency.

[CountValentine]

Proof that on both sides this isn’t about “my body” at all, just an excuse to advance another agenda.

There it is in a nutshell.

[CountValentine]

...rather that the baby  isn't part of your body, and therefore when you have the rights to your body, abortion isn't covered.

Where did you get this from?

[as2]

No idea what you meant by your characterization of “my body, my choice” w/r/t abortions. I’m not going to defend pro-choice, but “my body, my choice” has nothing to do with whether the fetus is or isn’t a part of the body. But rather that a woman’s body is her own and she can therefore choose to undergo an abortion if she wishes to.

Pro-choice people don’t really consider fetuses “another being”. It also doesn’t seem to be about control, rather about agency.

I got that.
The way I interpreted your post was "both sides use "mbmc" when is convenient for them." I could've taken that the wrong way.


My point was that when the pro life argue against "mbmc", their argument is that it isn't in fact your body, so it may not be your choice, not that you don't have the right to choose regarding your body.

When the same phrase is applied to vaccines, I would argue that there is no argument to how it is applied, rather some people just agree/disagree with it.


I may be making a completely unrelated point based on a misunderstanding here, so I apologize if that's the case.

[CountValentine]

The ones hiding behind the "my body my choice" BS are on the left...

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!!!

Proof that on both sides this isn’t about “my body” at all, just an excuse to advance another agenda.