Vaccine Mandates

[zh cohen]

That has nothing to do with legal abortion being murder.

Right but it has everything to do with why all abortion should be considered murder.

This discussion started with you claiming

Their argument is that the fetus is a human life which science, and our law has so far rejected.

You have since conceded regarding the science -

To be fair science actually states human life begins at fertilization/conception.

I have now shown you that our law also consider an unborn baby to be a human life.

So why should abortion be legal?

[Dan]

Trumps view now is the vaccine has saved millions of lives. He wants credit for that. He doesn't give a rats *ss about anyone.

It can be that and that he doesn't want his supporters dying out.

[4yourinfo]

Random point.
A - Vaccines obviously do work to prevent the fatalities of Covid.
B - Seemingly it’s is the more Pro Trump guys that are against the vaccine.
So - It’s only a matter of time for the trump voters to really be dominated by the Biden ones just due to the fact that they will probably be dying at a far quicker pace

Just a side point I thought of. If vaccines kill and are potentially so dangerous. And also the Biden admin are all about stealing the election, don’t you think they wouldn’t want to push this deathly poison on all their voters?

Is there anything wrong with being hesitant to get a vaccine? Do I have to believe it's going to kill me? Are you at all hesitant to get the annual flu vaccine when the efficacy rate always seems to be way off? Do you give your kids Tylenol anytime they are a drop kvetchy? Do you love getting prescriptions for your child's ear infection every other week? Do you not try to hold off on things that are 99.9 percent safe? Many people held off on the vaccine because they rightly felt they have antibodies that would keep them from getting covid and they didn't feel the need to run and get a jab with something that does not have any long term studies. And as time moved on while reinfections we're becoming a bit more common we started seeing the efficacy of the vaccine drop off. At this point there is no clear proof that the vaccine is helping much especially with those that had covid who may have memory cells which may prevent a severe infection. Every vaccine has risks and we don't know if there are long term risks involved - it takes years for cancer to develop from radiation exposure or asbestos exposure... For many people the feeling is the possible benefit at this time for them does not outweigh the risk.
Continuing to paint those not getting the vaccine with broad strokes as anti vaxers who think chips and deaths are contained in the vaccine is wrong. Just like the people who get the vaccine don't appreciate getting painted as people who are trying to control the people and it's not about health...

[aygart]

It can be that and that he doesn't want his supporters dying out.

Does he or does he not agree that they save lives?

[aygart]

Is there anything wrong with being hesitant to get a vaccine? Do I have to believe it's going to kill me? Are you at all hesitant to get the annual flu vaccine when the efficacy rate always seems to be way off? Do you give your kids Tylenol anytime they are a drop kvetchy? Do you love getting prescriptions for your child's ear infection every other week? Do you not try to hold off on things that are 99.9 percent safe? Many people held off on the vaccine because they rightly felt they have antibodies that would keep them from getting covid and they didn't feel the need to run and get a jab with something that does not have any long term studies. And as time moved on while reinfections we're becoming a bit more common we started seeing the efficacy of the vaccine drop off. At this point there is no clear proof that the vaccine is helping much especially with those that had covid who may have memory cells which may prevent a severe infection. Every vaccine has risks and we don't know if there are long term risks involved - it takes years for cancer to develop from radiation exposure or asbestos exposure... For many people the feeling is the possible benefit at this time for them does not outweigh the risk.
Continuing to paint those not getting the vaccine with broad strokes as anti vaxers who think chips and deaths are contained in the vaccine is wrong. Just like the people who get the vaccine don't appreciate getting painted as people who are trying to control the people and it's not about health...

Can you back any of this up with real numbers?

[4yourinfo]

Can you back any of this up with real numbers?

You want to know how many people feel this way?

[Eli911]

At this point there is no clear proof that the vaccine is helping much especially with those that had covid who may have memory cells which may prevent a severe infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w

[aygart]

You want to know how many people feel this way?

Okay and feelings don't care about facts. Got it.

[4yourinfo]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w

One small study in which the Israeli study showed the opposite, antibody testing doesn't appear to be involved, percentage difference dropped for younger people and it was done starting a year ago. We are a few variants down the line since the study started.. again it's about not painting those who didn't vaccinate as retards

[biobook]

it's about not painting those who didn't vaccinate as retards

You seem to have misunderstood @Zevi16 's point, which was to characterize those who didn't vaccinate as Republicans, not Retards.  Not necessarily synonymous.

B - Seemingly it’s is the more Pro Trump guys that are against the vaccine.

[Eli911]

One small study in which the Israeli study showed the opposite, antibody testing doesn't appear to be involved, percentage difference dropped for younger people and it was done starting a year ago. We are a few variants down the line since the study started.. again it's about not painting those who didn't vaccinate as retards

Tell me you didn’t read the study without telling me you didn’t read the study 

[4yourinfo]

Tell me you didn’t read the study without telling me you didn’t read the study 

Why because they tried playing down the Israeli study or casually mention that Delta was involved and didn't show any change when most of the study was done prior to the Delta dominance?

[biobook]

B - Seemingly it’s is the more Pro Trump guys that are against the vaccine.

Just to provide the evidence for this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/07/trump-voters-counties-more-likely-die-covid-study

A few quotes from there, for the non-clickers:

"People in counties that voted for Donald Trump are nearly three times more likely to die from Covid-19 than those who live in counties that voted for Joe Biden"

"People in rural Republican areas, and white Republicans in general, tend to be more resistant to getting vaccinated. According to the latest data from the Kaiser Family Fund, the rate of Republican Covid vaccination has plateaued at 59%, while 91% of Democrats have been vaccinated."

"Republicans have been found to be more likely to believe misinformation about Covid and vaccines. According to KFF, 94% of Republicans think one or more false statements about Covid and vaccines might be true, and 46% believe four or more statements might be true. Only 14% of Democrats believe four or more false statements about the virus."

So - It’s only a matter of time for the trump voters to really be dominated by the Biden ones just due to the fact that they will probably be dying at a far quicker pace

I don't think there's evidence for this last part, though.  That is, Trump-voters are not dying of Covid at a high enough rate to turn any red state blue, even in those states where the 2020 presidential vote was closest. 

[4yourinfo]

You seem to have misunderstood @Zevi16 's point, which was to characterize those who didn't vaccinate as Republicans, not Retards.  Not necessarily synonymous.

Republicans who think the vaccine kills people

[aygart]

Republicans who think the vaccine kills people

Those who start with the vaccine killing people sound pretty much like retards.

[biobook]

Republicans who think the vaccine kills people

Right.
1. More Republicans think the vaccine kills people.
2. Therefore more Republicans are unvaccinated.
3. Therefore more Republicans contract and die from severe Covid.
4. Therefore fewer Republicans remain alive to vote in the next election.

5. Therefore districts that are majority-Republican will become majority-Democrat.

1-4 are true, as Zevi16 pointed out.  5 is not likely to be true.

[Yehuda57]

Right.
1. More Republicans think the vaccine kills people.
2. Therefore more Republicans are unvaccinated.
3. Therefore more Republicans contract and die from severe Covid.
4. Therefore fewer Republicans remain alive to vote in the next election.

5. Therefore districts that are majority-Republican will become majority-Democrat.

1-4 are true, as Zevi16 pointed out.  5 is not likely to be true.

At the same time

1) More Democrats were convinced into taking the vaccine
2) Therefore more Democrats took the lethal mRNA
3) Therefore 75% of those Democrats who took the mRNA will be dead within 2-3 years of getting the vaccine
4) Therefore fewer Democrats will be alive to vote in the next election

5) Therefore even districts that were majority Democrat will become majority Republican and will now ALSO need to use fraud to steal the elections.

[Dan]

Therefore 75% of those Democrats who took the mRNA will be dead within 2-3 years of getting the vaccine

Convenient that will happen before the 2024 election!

Anyway, when did Zelenko move from simple country doctor to Afghanistan leader?

[as2]

Convenient that will happen before the 2024 election!

Anyway, when did Zelenko move from simple country doctor to Afghanistan leader?

It happened 2 weeks after you became a famous singer

[Dan]

It happened 2 weeks after you became a famous singer