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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #660 on: December 18, 2021, 08:42:47 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #661 on: December 18, 2021, 08:59:39 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #662 on: December 18, 2021, 09:04:10 PM »
It is unfortunate we hear this all too often.

Hear what? We hear a lot about people who opposed vaccines dying of COVID. But this is saying he opposed a mandate, thatís different to me.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #663 on: December 18, 2021, 09:32:06 PM »
Hear what? We hear a lot about people who opposed vaccines dying of COVID. But this is saying he opposed a mandate, thatís different to me.
Was he vaccinated?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #664 on: December 18, 2021, 09:48:54 PM »
Was he vaccinated?

I don't know either way, do you?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #665 on: December 18, 2021, 09:53:59 PM »
I don't know either way, do you?
If I knew I would have said so and not ask.  :)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #666 on: December 18, 2021, 09:57:17 PM »
I don't know either way, do you?
I'm curious what the odds are for a 52 year old vaccinated person to die from Covid.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #667 on: December 18, 2021, 10:06:15 PM »
I'm curious what the odds are for a 52 year old vaccinated person to die from Covid.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Per this PDF, 65+ is 12.2 deaths per 100k population (not per 100k cases), so age 52 is likely lower than that, not sure by how much. For some reason this PDF is missing the <65 numbers in that particular chart.

Interesting to note that that 12.2 figure is over a relatively short period of time, roughly four weeks.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #668 on: December 18, 2021, 11:32:47 PM »
I'm curious what the odds are for a 52 year old vaccinated person to die from Covid.
He might have had significant comorbidities. Either way, I donít have a problem with being against mandates and donít fully see the irony. I get that itís a catchy headline though.


(He was likely unvaccinated but thatís not the point)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #669 on: December 18, 2021, 11:49:08 PM »
He might have had significant comorbidities. Either way, I donít have a problem with being against mandates and donít fully see the irony. I get that itís a catchy headline though.


(He was likely unvaccinated but thatís not the point)

If he was unvaccinated, anti vaccine, and anti mandate because of that, then the irony stands. But I donít know that to be the case.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #670 on: December 18, 2021, 11:52:39 PM »
I get that itís a catchy headline though.
Yep. A vaccine mandate in WA wouldn't have helped him in El Salvador.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #671 on: December 19, 2021, 10:13:39 AM »
Let's keep playing politics and see how fast we can hit 1MM.  >:( >:( >:(

The staggering number of deaths due to COVID-19 is now higher than the 700,000 Americans who have died from AIDS-related illnesses over the last four decades. It is higher than the total number of American troops who have died in battle since 1900, and about the same as the population of North Dakota. The U.S. has also recorded more deaths -- and cases -- than any other country in the world.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #672 on: December 19, 2021, 10:41:17 AM »
Let's keep playing politics and see how fast we can hit 1MM.  >:( >:( >:(

The staggering number of deaths due to COVID-19 is now higher than the 700,000 Americans who have died from AIDS-related illnesses over the last four decades. It is higher than the total number of American troops who have died in battle since 1900, and about the same as the population of North Dakota. The U.S. has also recorded more deaths -- and cases -- than any other country in the world.
Any reason antibodies infusions is not used to treat patients all over the US? Shouldn't that prevent hospitalizations and death in most people?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #673 on: December 19, 2021, 10:59:13 AM »
Any reason antibodies infusions is not used to treat patients all over the US? Shouldn't that prevent hospitalizations and death in most people?
I am for anything that works in reducing catching it in the first or reducing to risk of dying.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #674 on: December 19, 2021, 11:18:46 AM »
Itís a little scary to think that testing positive in the wrong country likely reduced his survival chances by over 90%
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #675 on: December 19, 2021, 11:19:41 AM »
Any reason antibodies infusions is not used to treat patients all over the US? Shouldn't that prevent hospitalizations and death in most people?

You mean monoclonal antibodies? Those don't seem to be very effective against Omicron.

If you're asking about why they didn't offer monoclonal antibodies to anyone who tested positive regardless of risk factor, I would assume it was so they had supplies for those most at risk for complications.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #676 on: December 19, 2021, 11:20:47 AM »
You mean monoclonal antibodies? Those don't seem to be very effective against Omicron.
Yes. Source? Not disagreeing, just didn't see anything on that yet.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #677 on: December 19, 2021, 11:23:15 AM »
Itís a little scary to think that testing positive in the wrong country likely reduced his survival chances by over 90%

This isn't just true for COVID, compare life expectancy in the first world to the third world, a lot of that is attributable to healthcare.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #678 on: December 19, 2021, 11:24:20 AM »
Yes. Source? Not disagreeing, just didn't see anything on that yet.

I didn't see a scientific source, but read it multiple times in "reputable" media sources and Hatzalah's letter mentioned it as well.

ETA: Apparently GSK's monoclonal antibodies are still considered effective: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/16/monoclonal-antibody-sotrovimab/

ETA2: This Reuters article links to the science, I didn't read through any of the linked studies:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/antibodies-weak-vs-omicron-treatment-may-help-patients-ventilators-2021-12-17/
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #679 on: December 19, 2021, 11:25:18 AM »
This isn't just true for COVID, compare life expectancy in the first world to the third world, a lot of that is attributable to healthcare.
For covid are we a first or third world country?  :-[
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