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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #740 on: December 27, 2021, 02:22:27 PM »
The "science" said this about corona, and taking the vaccine.
Lies. In fact, scientists from the get-go insisted that there was insufficient evidence to say to what extent the vaccine prevents transmission (hence the CDC kept the mask mandate going for a while). Hypocritically, *you* were calling out this hesitation as a ďproofĒ that the vaccine doesnít work with a classic all or nothing strawman.

Truthfully it *did* protect against infection and transmission at a much higher rate than they gave it credit for, but waning immunity and Omicron are significantly weakening that effect. Still, vaccination *does* prevent a very large amount of Omicron infection (and therefore transmission) even according to the most pessimistic analyses of the data we have, albeit at a much lower rate than previously.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #741 on: December 27, 2021, 02:24:59 PM »
Hereís a theoretical question: if a vaccine would only prevent 20% of cases of an illness, and 100 million people would get the disease without a vaccine. how effective would it be for everyone to get vaccinated? Would you say itís pointless to bother with a vaccine with only 20% efficacy, or that the vaccine is a fantastic way to eliminate 20 million illnesses?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #742 on: December 27, 2021, 02:30:39 PM »
They never said that. You totally made it up.
I just watched again and Fauci aka "science" said that

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #743 on: December 27, 2021, 02:31:18 PM »
I just watched again and Fauci aka "science" said that
Watched what?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #744 on: December 27, 2021, 02:40:51 PM »
Lies. In fact, scientists from the get-go insisted that there was insufficient evidence to say to what extent the vaccine prevents transmission (hence the CDC kept the mask mandate going for a while). Hypocritically, *you* were calling out this hesitation as a ďproofĒ that the vaccine doesnít work with a classic all or nothing strawman.

Truthfully it *did* protect against infection and transmission at a much higher rate than they gave it credit for, but waning immunity and Omicron are significantly weakening that effect. Still, vaccination *does* prevent a very large amount of Omicron infection (and therefore transmission) even according to the most pessimistic analyses of the data we have, albeit at a much lower rate than previously.
How can you say does? Omicron has been around for just a couple of weeks and we're seeing record amount of cases - Also people with record high antibody levels from the vaccine are still getting covid what's your explanation? Why is Fauchi still lying about the vaccines don't invite unvaccinated to your party - it's a joke!

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #745 on: December 27, 2021, 02:41:33 PM »
I just watched again and Fauci aka "science" said that

Fauci is a public policy official, he isnít the spokesperson for science. If you want to claim science said something, link to studies.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #746 on: December 27, 2021, 02:42:04 PM »
How can you say does? Omicron has been around for just a couple of weeks and we're seeing record amount of cases - Also people with record high antibody levels from the vaccine are still getting covid what's your explanation? Why is Fauchi still lying about the vaccines don't invite unvaccinated to your party - it's a joke!

See the Dutch study posted upthread.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #747 on: December 27, 2021, 02:42:26 PM »
The science is incorrect?
Don't think science says it is a "human life" at that point.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #748 on: December 27, 2021, 02:46:25 PM »
I would assume not. Typically, the anti mandate stance...
...changes daily to fit the talking points.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #749 on: December 27, 2021, 02:50:03 PM »
How can you say does? Omicron has been around for just a couple of weeks and we're seeing record amount of cases - Also people with record high antibody levels from the vaccine are still getting covid what's your explanation? Why is Fauchi still lying about the vaccines don't invite unvaccinated to your party - it's a joke!
Because itís been around long enough to see that it affects people who are unvaccinated at a higher rate than those who are vaccinated? The precise numbers are unclear but this data seems to hold across any studies undertaken thus far. Remember, a great majority of people are vaccinated, so if they are being diagnosed in equal or lower numbers than they are clearly infected at a lower rate.

Fauci might also have been talking about Delta as well which is still a quarter of US cases. Even though Omicron is a larger threat right now, Delta is still massively prevalent.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #750 on: December 27, 2021, 02:56:11 PM »


Fauci is a public policy official, he isnít the spokesperson for science.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #751 on: December 27, 2021, 02:56:51 PM »
Lets sum this up.
Science - From day one has said vaccines work and are not 100% effective.
Anti-mandate - Vaccines don't work and we were lied to that they are 100% effective.
Which one is drinking the Kool-Aid?  :)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #752 on: December 27, 2021, 02:58:11 PM »
Because itís been around long enough to see that it affects people who are unvaccinated at a higher rate than those who are vaccinated? The precise numbers are unclear but this data seems to hold across any studies undertaken thus far. Remember, a great majority of people are vaccinated, so if they are being diagnosed in equal or lower numbers than they are clearly infected at a lower rate.

Fauci might also have been talking about Delta as well which is still a quarter of US cases. Even though Omicron is a larger threat right now, Delta is still massively prevalent.

I doubt Delta is still 25% of US cases, considering Omicron was at 73% a week ago and is so dominant over Delta.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #753 on: December 27, 2021, 03:13:11 PM »
Because itís been around long enough to see that it affects people who are unvaccinated at a higher rate than those who are vaccinated? The precise numbers are unclear but this data seems to hold across any studies undertaken thus far. Remember, a great majority of people are vaccinated, so if they are being diagnosed in equal or lower numbers than they are clearly infected at a lower rate.

Fauci might also have been talking about Delta as well which is still a quarter of US cases. Even though Omicron is a larger threat right now, Delta is still massively prevalent.
I have a hard time understanding these "Breakthrough cases" I was always under the impression that a breakthrough case occurs because the individuals immune system didn't respond well to the vaccine but to have millions not responding to a vaccine especially when you have people who were tested to have had a robust response with high antibody levels yet they manage to get covid? Can it just be that maybe it's not the vaccine?

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #754 on: December 27, 2021, 03:24:06 PM »
I have a hard time understanding these "Breakthrough cases" I was always under the impression that a breakthrough case occurs because the individuals immune system didn't respond well to the vaccine
What gave you that impression?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #755 on: December 27, 2021, 03:33:14 PM »

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Since when did you believe him about anything?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #756 on: December 27, 2021, 03:35:30 PM »
Since when did you believe him about anything?
When it fits the narrative. Pretty soon he will be quoting BO.  :)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #757 on: December 27, 2021, 03:48:30 PM »
Don't think science says it is a "human life" at that point.
Maybe you want to reword that post
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #758 on: December 27, 2021, 03:49:07 PM »
What gave you that impression?
So what's your explanation? We are dealing with healthy not immunocompromised people who were confirmed to have a robust immune response to the vaccine via antibody testing yet contract covid!

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #759 on: December 27, 2021, 03:49:42 PM »
Maybe you want to reword that post
Na, not the first or last time I will mess up.
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