Vaccine Mandates

[aygart]

I just watched again and Fauci aka "science" said that

LOIDH

[AsherO]

So what's your explanation? We are dealing with healthy not immunocompromised people who were confirmed to have a robust immune response to the vaccine via antibody testing yet contract covid!

Read up on how Omicron evades immunity, it’s true for natural immunity as well.

[aygart]

Na, not the first or last time I will mess up.

Thats fine but you have been all over the place about what science says so I have no idea what you trying to say.

[S209]

So what's your explanation?

Immune escape?

[yuneeq]

I wonder if the anti-mandate, but pro-life group believes it is ok to mandate vaccines for pregnant women to help protect the unborn?

This is actually a great point.

It isn't a good point. Parental choice in regards to how to raise children has nothing to do with MBMC, parents make the decisions for a child whether the child is in/out of the womb. That does not mean as a society that we need to give parents free rein to abuse or murder their children, whether in or out of the womb.

[CountValentine]

Thats fine but you have been all over the place about what science says so I have no idea what you trying to say.

This thread has taken so many turns it is hard to know what anyone is saying.
From the beginning I have said vaccines work.
They save lives. IMHO science backs this up.
Mandates work to get more people vaccinated. Therefore, more lives are saved.

[CountValentine]

It isn't a good point. Parental choice in regards to how to raise children has nothing to do with MBMC, parents make the decisions for a child whether the child is in/out of the womb. That does not mean as a society that we need to give parents free rein to abuse or murder their children, whether in or out of the womb.

I thought the pro-lifers wanted to protect the unborn. I guess that is just a bunch of BS also. 

[yuneeq]

I thought the pro-lifers wanted to protect the unborn. I guess that is just a bunch of BS also. 

Protect from murder and/or abuse, yes, whether born or unborn. Not vaccinating during pregnancy is well within the acceptable risk level where parents have been given free rein.

[CountValentine]

Protect from murder and/or abuse, yes, whether born or unborn. Not vaccinating during pregnancy is well within the acceptable risk level where parents have been given free rein.

What murder/abuse you talking about?

Putting the unborn at unnecessary risk you would think would be a calling cry for the pro-life group if they really care about the unborn.

[as2]

What murder/abuse you talking about?

Putting the unborn at unnecessary risk you would think would be a calling cry for the pro-life group if they really care about the unborn.

What are the stats on that risk? Coat hangers seem to have a 100% chance of fatality. I'm sure we can find a middle ground between .001% and 100%.

[CountValentine]

What are the stats on that risk? Coat hangers seem to have a 100% chance of fatality. I'm sure we can find a middle ground between .001% and 100%.

So the pro-lifers have an acceptable risk to put the unborn through?

[as2]

So the pro-lifers have an acceptable risk to put the unborn through?

I'd assume everyone has their own beliefs when it comes to that, similarly, people who are OK with abortion also vary as to when (how far into a pregnancy) an abortion is OK.

There isn't much that is without risk, reasonable risk is where the arguments start.

[zh cohen]

This is actually a great point.

Justice Thomas referenced the fact that States can and (at least some) do have laws that prosecute a mother for endangering her child in the womb (such as by drug use) as an argument to allow laws that restrict abortion.

[zh cohen]

So the pro-lifers have an acceptable risk to put the unborn through?

Of course. If they didn't, they would require that every pregnant woman be on bed rest for 9 months.

[CountValentine]

Of course. If they didn't, they would require that every pregnant woman be on bed rest for 9 months.

So being on bed rest for the whole pregnancy is safer than doing normal activities? Going to need a source for this?
ETA: It seems bed rest for healthy pregnant individuals is the worst thing you can do. But then again what would expect from pro-lifers? 
Understand the side effects
Bed rest during pregnancy can pose health risks, including:
A blood clot in a deep vein, such as a vein in your leg (venous thromboembolism)
Decreased bone mass (bone demineralization)
Musculoskeletal and cardiovascular deconditioning
Stress due to self-blame, child care issues, and concerns about job loss or finances

[S209]

Justice Thomas referenced the fact that States can and (at least some) do have laws that prosecute a mother for endangering her child in the womb (such as by drug use) as an argument to allow laws that restrict abortion.

Thank you, it’s a great argument.

[S209]

ETA: It seems bed rest for healthy pregnant individuals is the worst thing you can do for the mother

FTFY

[CountValentine]

FTFY

Also for the unborn. Unhealthy mother puts the unborn at risk.

[CountValentine]

Have we got to the point where this vaccine causes autism?

[aygart]

FTFY

Cmon man