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[koplonko]

I see they have a haskama from Rav Moshe Heinemann
https://www.getora.org/_files/ugd/e5498d_7010b9910db840d0b0de71ee41b48885.pdf
Rav Shmuel Feurst and Rav Gedalya Schwartz
https://www.getora.org/_files/ugd/e5498d_e3b6558e645549cc9fe89021038c9a46.pdf
and many others:
https://www.getora.org/rabbinic-endorsements

So how can you say such a thing? Is this not very dissrespectful?

No BMG rabbonim

[avromie7]

I see they have a haskama from Rav Moshe Heinemann
https://www.getora.org/_files/ugd/e5498d_7010b9910db840d0b0de71ee41b48885.pdf
Rav Shmuel Feurst and Rav Gedalya Schwartz
https://www.getora.org/_files/ugd/e5498d_e3b6558e645549cc9fe89021038c9a46.pdf
and many others:
https://www.getora.org/rabbinic-endorsements

So how can you say such a thing? Is this not very dissrespectful?

One of the rabbanim on the list was asked about a case they were involved in. He didn't agree with what they were doing, but he said he can't say anything because they'll protest outside his house instead. Suffice it to say, I don't have much faith in that list being accurate.

[imayid2]

One of the rabbanim on the list was asked about a case they were involved in. He didn't agree with what they were doing, but he said he can't say anything because they'll protest outside his house instead. Suffice it to say, I don't have much faith in that list being accurate.

I don’t usually work for the respect police but couldn’t resist

[LNS]

this isn't a main stream organization from my understanding but i know someone who is heavily involved in such a story and was told there comes a certain point where they just try to put the info out anywhere they can
most of these are ongoing for many years unfortunately

[imayid2]

7/19/23

As of July 3rd, 2023, Dovid Wasserman was incarcerated at Rikers Island's West Facility, which is designated for medical care for inmates who request comfortable medical accommodations as per human rights laws.

Dovid Wasserman was sentenced to six months in prison due to outstanding child support payments. A review of his case will be undertaken by Judge Prus in the next 90 days.

The current amount due, the "purge" amount, is $49,000 and can be paid at any time. Dovid Wasserman also retains the right to request that a Gett be drafted for him to sign in exchange for the forgiveness of the child support payments.

We urge our community to hope and pray that the purge is not paid and that Dovid Wasserman uses his time in custody to come to terms with the end of his marriage.

It's important to note the greater issue at hand: resorting to the secular court systems for issues pertaining to religious marital disputes when a Bais Din has no further recourse, is not only traumatic, deeply painful and frightening, but it is NOT a guaranteed path to obtaining a Gett.

May Dovid and his family be liberated swiftly.

May we all find peace and resolution soon.

[Euclid]

Language warning (from the hosts, not from her)

[imayid2]

Very interesting. Big upgrade from the last one.

Some notes

@27:32 No it is not a big issue that Rabbanim don't agree to a psak כפיה. Many would argue the other way...
Also the psak didn't even say they would allow כפיה לכתחלה.

28:00
What in heavens name do they want Rabbis to do at this point? The guy is sitting in jail, he's insane. They want someone to use cattle prods? Let them do it themselves...

ETA sounds like she wants all his relatives to be completely ostracized until she gets a get. If they say they did what they can do, who will start judging if it is enough or not and their kids should be kicked out of school? 

@35:10 Great point!

@45:25 No, you can not.


How is the whole systametic change thing gonna help such a situation?

[aygart]

Very interesting. Big upgrade from the last one.

Some notes

@27:32 No it is not a big issue that Rabbanim don't agree to a psak כפיה. Many would argue the other way...
Also the psak didn't even say they would allow כפיה לכתחלה.

28:00
What in heavens name do they want Rabbis to do at this point? The guy is sitting in jail, he's insane. They want someone to use cattle prods? Let them do it themselves...

ETA sounds like she wants all his relatives to be completely ostracized until she gets a get. If they say they did what they can do, who will start judging if it is enough or not and their kids should be kicked out of school? 

@35:10 Great point!

@45:25 No, you can not.


How is the whole systametic change thing gonna help such a situation?

Most anecdotal evidence used to promote systemic change won't stand up to scrutiny.

[imayid2]

This was dropped today, looks interesting
https://alldaf.org/p/167741

[zh cohen]

28:00
What in heavens name do they want Rabbis to do at this point? The guy is sitting in jail, he's insane. They want someone to use cattle prods? Let them do it themselves...

ETA sounds like she wants all his relatives to be completely ostracized until she gets a get. If they say they did what they can do, who will start judging if it is enough or not and their kids should be kicked out of school?

Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video

In the past she claimed that he was being supported financially by his family, including in paying his legal bills. She claims he has almost no income of his own.

[imayid2]

Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video

In the past she claimed that he was being supported financially by his family, including in paying his legal bills. She claims he has almost no income of his own.

He is supported by a trust fund which they claim they cannot exclude him from receiving the funds

[Tzvi687]

He is supported by a trust fund which they claim they cannot exclude him from receiving the funds

Heard thats just a few hundred $ a month.
Assuming his rent is at least double that.

[imayid2]

Heard thats just a few hundred $ a month.
Assuming his rent is at least double that.

Fwiu it’s a few thousand (she says the exact number somewhere in the podcast). But re his legal fees it’s clear he was being helped.

What’s the recourse? It’s difficult to pin down who exactly the help is coming from. And then what? We should totally ostracize that family in every way? Doesn’t really work in reality. We don’t live under authoritarian Jewish rule and we can’t use the tactics they once used it the shtetl.

Also, they claim everything they do is with their daas torah.

No one’s paid up his 49k that he’s in jail for. If someone would he would be scot free.

[Euclid]

Wear a helmet. These results are scary

[Tzvi687]

Fwiu it’s a few thousand (she says the exact number somewhere in the podcast). But re his legal fees it’s clear he was being helped.

What’s the recourse? It’s difficult to pin down who exactly the help is coming from. And then what? We should totally ostracize that family in every way? Doesn’t really work in reality. We don’t live under authoritarian Jewish rule and we can’t use the tactics they once used it the shtetl.

Also, they claim everything they do is with their daas torah.

No one’s paid up his 49k that he’s in jail for. If someone would he would be scot free.

Daas torah? Not a single know/prominent rov.
Why blame the family more then the neighbors or they’re cat? Hes a grown adult not they’re responsibility.

[imayid2]

Daas torah? Not a single know/prominent rov.

I’ve heard the name of a prominent Rav.

Why blame the family more then the neighbors or they’re cat? Hes a grown adult not they’re responsibility.

Because allegedly they’ve been helping him in various ways.

[Yehuda57]

Daas torah? Not a single know/prominent rov.
Why blame the family more then the neighbors or they’re cat? Hes a grown adult not they’re responsibility.

If he's a responsible grown adult making his own decisions, why was he living at home before having his rent paid for?

[Tzvi687]

I’ve heard the name of a prominent Rav.Because allegedly they’ve been helping him in various ways.

Who? Show me the signed paper from a rov with a heter to go after his family

[Tzvi687]

If he's a responsible grown adult making his own decisions, why was he living at home before having his rent paid for?

At home? U mean in his mothers house? She moved out a while back…

[imayid2]

Who? Show me the signed paper from a rov with a heter to go after his family

Mis communication. My post that you originally responded to was referring to daas Torah of the family.

Regarding going after the family, have you read the signed psak din up thread? It’s discussed there.