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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #600 on: September 15, 2023, 12:41:29 PM »
It's not something that happens every day, it's not needed that often, but it happens, I personally know one
i know more then one
and happens often enough although deff much less then the other way around.
If a woman is miserable her marriage she isn't looking to hold on to it rather to get away as far as possible

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #601 on: September 15, 2023, 12:42:25 PM »
The website is apparently not updated.
According to Starr they are working on an average of 75 cases at any given time. (Not that I agree to her criteria, just if you’re quoting her numbers…)

The website is definitely updated regularly.

Starr doesn't back up any of her claims with actual data. It's important to note that she has a vested interest in perpetuating the perception that she is busy working on cases. No independent third party has ever verified this, and common sense informs us that the claims of "Agunah Crisis" are false.

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #602 on: September 15, 2023, 12:43:23 PM »
Practically this isn’t true.

In the overwhelming majority of cases that a BD rules a husband is obligated to divorce, we cannot force him physically to do so.

According to ORA they only step in when a husband is refusing a get that a BD has ruled he is obligated to give.


this is the case with all people i mentioned

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #603 on: September 15, 2023, 12:47:01 PM »
to take it a step further i know a older woman who hasn't even fought for it because she knows her ex will never give in
so im sure there are many people who aren't any lists or working with any organizations

just a point if two healthy people are unhappy together for whatever reason neither side has any issue and there are many gets given like this all the time
the ones we hear about almost always involve some type of difficult/unhealthy person

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #604 on: September 15, 2023, 12:51:48 PM »
The website is definitely updated regularly.
Dovid Wasserman isn’t on the list.

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #605 on: September 15, 2023, 12:54:53 PM »
Starr doesn't back up any of her claims with actual data. It's important to note that she has a vested interest in perpetuating the perception that she is busy working on cases. No independent third party has ever verified this, and common sense informs us that the claims of "Agunah Crisis" are false.
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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #606 on: September 15, 2023, 03:15:50 PM »
But how common is/was that?
The rosh yeshiva of lakewood got a heter meah rabonim

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #607 on: September 15, 2023, 03:46:40 PM »
The rosh yeshiva of lakewood got a heter meah rabonim
Wow! Is this true? I guess that means it's common in Lakewood?

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #608 on: September 15, 2023, 03:53:49 PM »
But how common is/was that?
The "Kolel L’horaah Ma’asis" in crown heights, the rosh kollel is part of UOR. Every so often he goes around the kollel asking the  yungerlite to sign on a heter meah rabonim

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #609 on: September 15, 2023, 03:55:06 PM »
Wow! Is this true? I guess that means it's common in Lakewood?
Happened in the 80's
Big fight between brisk and ponevezh

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #610 on: September 15, 2023, 04:20:28 PM »
Happened in the 80's
Big fight between brisk and ponevezh

Don't just keep @Euclid more in suspense, elaborate on the full story please...

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #611 on: September 15, 2023, 04:54:18 PM »
Suppose you get engaged to a girl, and during the engagement she tells you "By the way, just want you to know that if down the road I decide that the marriage is over, you need to agree to immediately finalize the divorce regardless of whether you think the arrangements in place are fair"

Do you go ahead with the wedding?

Be honest

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #612 on: September 17, 2023, 10:29:12 PM »
Suppose you get engaged to a girl, and during the engagement she tells you "By the way, just want you to know that if down the road I decide that the marriage is over, you need to agree to immediately finalize the divorce regardless of whether you think the arrangements in place are fair"

Do you go ahead with the wedding?

Be honest
Exactly.  ::)

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #613 on: September 17, 2023, 10:38:12 PM »
The "Kolel L’horaah Ma’asis" in crown heights, the rosh kollel is part of UOR. Every so often he goes around the kollel asking the  yungerlite to sign on a heter meah rabonim

Probably on the request of shluchim all over for broken marriages of half BTs around the world, not for everyday frum families.

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #614 on: September 17, 2023, 10:39:27 PM »
Probably on the request of shluchim all over for broken marriages of half BTs around the world, not for everyday frum families.
Don't believe it's on behalf of shluchim, he is involved in non chabad beis dins

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #615 on: September 17, 2023, 10:51:47 PM »
Every so often he goes around the kollel asking the  yungerlite to sign on a heter meah rabonim

Recently? Or 10+ years ago?

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #616 on: September 17, 2023, 10:54:46 PM »
Suppose you get engaged to a girl, and during the engagement she tells you "By the way, just want you to know that if down the road I decide that the marriage is over, you need to agree to immediately finalize the divorce regardless of whether you think the arrangements in place are fair" our marriage fails you need to agree to listen to the determinations of Beis Din.

Do you go ahead with the wedding?

Be honest
FTFY

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #617 on: September 17, 2023, 10:56:53 PM »
What does a prenuptial agreement help?
#TYH

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Re: Get Refusal
« Reply #618 on: September 17, 2023, 10:57:06 PM »
Recently? Or 10+ years ago?
That kolel hasn't been open for 10 years.
This is its 4th year

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