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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #140 on: March 16, 2021, 04:51:36 PM »
There are 2 different tones in this thread. Makes me wonder if its an age thing.

One side supports freedom and personal choice and the other side supports a big government nanny state...
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #141 on: March 16, 2021, 04:52:48 PM »
I personally know someone in Israel (very frum community) who has a chronic illness. He gets medical marijuana prescribed. He used to go to the same mikva as I did. He would come in, light up, take a good few puffs and then start his mikva routine. Was one of the most surreal experiences.
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Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #142 on: March 16, 2021, 04:54:51 PM »
One side supports freedom and personal choice and the other side supports a big government nanny state...
CV that you?

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #143 on: March 16, 2021, 05:00:57 PM »
One side supports freedom and personal choice and the other side supports a big government nanny state...
Which side is the one that supports private organizations making their own decisions?
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #144 on: March 16, 2021, 05:02:38 PM »
Which side is the one that supports private organizations making their own decisions?
Private organizations like Twitter and Apple?
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #145 on: March 16, 2021, 05:03:57 PM »
Private organizations like Twitter and Apple?
Yes those and the listed schools.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #146 on: March 16, 2021, 05:05:39 PM »
Private organizations like Twitter and Apple?

More like Planned Parenthood. You know, publicly funded private non-profits.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #147 on: March 16, 2021, 05:13:03 PM »
One side supports freedom and personal choice and the other side supports a big government nanny state...

I'm pro legalization of marijuana (I'm a libertarian at heart, that believes the government should not be regulating personal behavior that does not harm others), but anti utilization in the frum community (although I do understand that there are worse things). I think that it is not the government's place to dictate appropriate conduct, but it is Rabbanim's place to do so. That's the difference between a religion and a government, and our government expressly espouses separation of religion and state.


Which side does that place me on?

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #148 on: March 16, 2021, 05:16:17 PM »
I'm pro legalization of marijuana (I'm a libertarian at heart, that believes the government should not be regulating personal behavior that does not harm others), but anti utilization in the frum community (although I do understand that there are worse things). I think that it is not the government's place to dictate appropriate conduct, but it is Rabbanim's place to do so. That's the difference between a religion and a government, and our government expressly espouses separation of religion and state.


Which side does that place me on?
Not the Republican side...
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #149 on: March 16, 2021, 05:21:27 PM »
Not the Republican side...
Yes, we know that both political parties support a big nanny state and the only difference is which nanny.
Not sure what either party has to do with this conversation.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #150 on: March 16, 2021, 05:28:18 PM »
Yes, we know that both political parties support a big nanny state and the only difference is which nanny.

I doubt you'd get more than 20% of this forum to agree to that statement.

Not sure what either party has to do with this conversation.
It's illuminating to see how hypocritical some of the freedom champions on this forum are (like the guy who claimed porn isn't free speech)... and it's not about government vs 'private' institutions, they claim the 'principle' of freedom of speech applies to private enterprises like Twitter as well.

Me, I believe in cancel culture & censorship. Both by Twitter and by Rabbinic leaders. I hope this KK works and makes the world a better place.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #151 on: March 16, 2021, 05:31:12 PM »
I doubt you'd get more than 20% of this forum to agree to that statement.
It's illuminating to see how hypocritical some of the freedom champions on this forum are (like the guy who claimed porn isn't free speech)... and it's not about government vs 'private' institutions, they claim the 'principle' of freedom of speech applies to private enterprises like Twitter as well.

Me, I believe in cancel culture & censorship. Both by Twitter and by Rabbinic leaders. I hope this KK works and makes the world a better place.
I can feel that Twitter has the right to censor as they please and still feel it is wrong of them to do so i various cases, but that is not the conversation here and I am not going to go into that here.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #152 on: March 16, 2021, 05:33:46 PM »
I can feel that Twitter has the right to censor as they please and still feel it is wrong of them to do so i various cases
Of course but that's a different opinion than those who believe it is wrong or even illegal for Twitter to censor anything.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #153 on: March 16, 2021, 05:37:04 PM »
Of course but that's a different opinion than those who believe it is wrong or even illegal for Twitter to censor anything.
Nobody really believes that.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #154 on: March 16, 2021, 05:42:07 PM »
I doubt you'd get more than 20% of this forum to agree to that statement.

It's illuminating to see how hypocritical some of the freedom champions on this forum are (like the guy who claimed porn isn't free speech)... and it's not about government vs 'private' institutions, they claim the 'principle' of freedom of speech applies to private enterprises like Twitter as well.

Me, I believe in cancel culture & censorship. Both by Twitter and by Rabbinic leaders. I hope this KK works and makes the world a better place.

People are upset that Twitter plays both sides of the fence: they absolve themselves of responsibility for content posted on their site, being as they are a platform and not a publisher, but then they censor content which does not fit their political narrative, thereby effectively condoning content which was not censored. It's the hiding behind Article 230 which upsets people, not the concept of a private publisher only publishing content which they agree with. Nobody says free speech obligates me to say anything I don't believe in.

I don't believe pornography should be outlawed either. I just believe there should be fair and clear warning to users as to the nature of content contained within. Once notice is given, an adult of age to be making informed consent decisions can make a choice as to whether they want to use such content.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #155 on: March 16, 2021, 06:04:14 PM »
they censor content which does not fit their political narrative, thereby effectively condoning content which was not censored.
So basically anything Rabbis don't issue a KK against, they are effectively condoning? That's a huge leap.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #156 on: March 16, 2021, 06:06:01 PM »
So basically anything Rabbis don't issue a KK against, they are effectively condoning? That's a huge leap.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #157 on: March 16, 2021, 06:12:11 PM »

ETA: I think this article expresses similar concerns (and possibly was the impetus for this kk) https://mishpacha.com/the-quiet-assassin/
I highly doubt anyone that signed it reads that magazine

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Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #158 on: March 16, 2021, 06:13:56 PM »
I highly doubt anyone that signed it reads that magazine
Meant the reasoning behind the concerns, not the article.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #159 on: March 16, 2021, 07:42:11 PM »
I think there are some misconceptions going on here.

1) excessive alcohol use or even miner use for the wrong reasons was always look at as wrong going way back to the times of Noach.
2) as far as I know there were only 2 takonos the rebbe made and that was for smoking and limiting drinking.

I think the biggest problem about marijuana is not so much the physical danger ( which it does have )
Rather the reason or spirit in which it is being smoked and what it does to the person.
Having been around Kiddush drinkers and people who smoke I would say that alcohol is not even close to as damaging spiritually and mentally in comparison to marijuana.

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects.html