Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products

[jj1000]

Almost all sales of alcohol especially in the Jewish community do not come from addiction/depression.

Let me guess you still believe frum people don't commit suicide or molest children, right?

95,000 people per year in the US die from Alcohol...

[whacked1]

Alcohol being legal is legal and alcohol being halachically ok is one of the best arguments for marijuana in general.

It's all about once preconceived notions. So if this generation has notions that marijuana is illegal it will seem very bad as we are taught illegal things are bad. But for the next generation it will be legal and they won't have those preconceived notions like we do. That includes rabanim etc. So like I'm saying, just a matter of time.

Very well said. Current day rabanim have a banning trigger.

 If only all these rabanim got together and made a statement about covid with such force! (sorry had to go there, ducks and runs)

[jj1000]

So most alcohol sales come from a bad intent, and weed a good intent? I hope that's not what you mean

Please learn what almost all means and what most means. Because you just switched and flopped the 2.

[Lurker]

So most alcohol sales come from a bad intent, and weed a good intent? I hope that's not what you mean

First, that's not what you said. Second, what you consider good intent is very subjective.

[coffeebean]

Let me guess you still believe frum people don't commit suicide or molest children, right?

95,000 people per year in the US die from Alcohol...

I didn't say alcohol isn't bad I just said that most alcohol sales aren't coming from a bad place especially in the Jewish community when all the guy wants is bottle of alcohol for his Kiddush. I can't say the same about weed.

[Lurker]

I didn't say alcohol isn't bad I just said that most alcohol sales aren't coming from a bad place especially in the Jewish community when all the guy wants is bottle of booze for his Kiddush. I can't say the same about weed.

And there's your problem.

[Lurker]

All cell phones were also banned at one point. And the internet. etc. It'll just take time. As society shifts on these issues it seems to me so will it shift in the frum world.

I'm not sure I agree with you. There are some things that just don't evolve, and I think this will be one of them.

[coffeebean]

Please learn what almost all means and what most means. Because you just switched and flopped the 2.

I stand corrected. Does that mean you agree with me when I say most?

[Dan]

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Cell phones and the internet have positive uses, recreational marijuana does not.

When is the kol koreh on cigarettes and cigarette sales coming?

[coffeebean]

My question to everyone against the kol koreh. Do you think that there shouldn't be one and let people live like the rest of society, or should there be a boundary and Marijuana should be before the boundary?

[Lurker]

My question to everyone against the kol koreh. Do you think that there shouldn't be one and let people live like the rest of society, or should there be a boundary and Marijuana should be before the boundary?

Let me put it this way: outside of strict religious usage (kiddush, etc.), I'd rather my kids smoke marijuana than drink alcohol.

ETA: when I write "kiddush," I mean the actual brocha, not a kiddush or kiddush club.

[yelped]

When is the kol koreh on cigarettes and cigarette sales coming?

Rav Wosner writes that it's assur to smoke cigarettes, too.

[Chapshnell]

dont worry, some rabunim will be smoking weed publicly in the next 5-6 years.

[avromie7]

When is the kol koreh on cigarettes and cigarette sales coming?

Most of this does not apply to cigarettes.

[Dan]

Rav Wosner writes that it's assur to smoke cigarettes, too.

Is there a kol koreh?
I'm not a fan of smoking pot or cigarettes, but there are more redeeming factors for pot than cigarettes, no?

[Chapshnell]

Rav Wosner writes that it's assur to smoke cigarettes, too.

way worse on the body than weed. and so is alcohol.

Full disclosure, I have never smoked anything & I dont plan on (and I dont drink either)

its a gateway drug, thats the only taaneh on it

[Dan]

Most of this does not apply to cigarettes.

Other than a d'oraisa of venishmartem meod?

[coffeebean]

Let me put it this way: outside of strict religious usage (kiddush, etc.), I'd rather my kids smoke marijuana than drink alcohol.

Ok so that might be a problem that they only ban one thing and not the other, but I have no problems with them putting out a boundary. Imagine in a couple years when society starts to normalize Psychedelic drugs and there are no boundaries, our Jewish community will get destroyed.

[yelped]

Other than a d'oraisa of venishmartem meod?

That would be a reason to avoid all 3, which I personally do. I have never smoked, I don't drink, and don't do weed. Difference is wine you can drink in moderation without doing any harm. Not saying that won't lead to drinking more and more, but from what I understand the urge to do more and more is much stronger with weed.

[Lurker]

Ok so that might be a problem that they only ban one thing and not the other, but I have no problems with them putting out a boundary. Imagine in a couple years when society starts to normalize Psychedelic drugs and there are no boundaries, our Jewish community will get destroyed.

My reasoning has absolutely nothing to do with society's normalization of pot.