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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2021, 12:08:08 PM »
Many people? Really?
Welcome to the Heimishe communities, the land of the Naive and the Gullible.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2021, 12:08:29 PM »
That's the easiest part, it doesn't take much to get a bunch or rosh yeshivas to sign on to a KK against marijuana.
He means to say it takes time to collect those signatures.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2021, 12:08:58 PM »
What about all the people reading this thread and wondering, maybe it's not so bad after all.
Maybe theyre right and should do their independent research if they intend on starting narcotics. Unless they live in Lakewood.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2021, 12:09:19 PM »
Has that battle ever been waged in this way and been lost? Or did they pick marijuana and not fight the other battles because smoking and drinking is so entrenched in the community?
The battle against smoking and alcohol was much harder to fight because their downsides only became apparent after it was so entrenched. Rabbonim probably assume they have a better shot at winning the war against marijuana because it's not widespread now.


Color me skeptical you can find me even one person that thought marijuana was perfectly OK until he read a kol kore that opened his eyes
I did not say people who think it is perfectly OK. I said curious people. Every smoker had their first cigarette. If they are young enough, they knew it was not healthy, but they were curious enough (or under peer pressure) to try it. Kol korei's against cigarettes would not dissuade them, because it's too prevalent for people to put so much weight in kol koreis.

But a standard yeshiva bochur, who would not try a new phenomenon if he knew rabbonim all said it was assur, would generally refrain from taking that first dose of marijuana. That is my perception.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2021, 12:10:19 PM »
He means to say it takes time to collect those signatures.
It doesn't take long at all for the right group of people to call them up and get their approval. You think they brought the letter to them to have them physically sign it? Those days are long over.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2021, 12:10:27 PM »
May I venture to say that the Chabad DDF'rs are pro Marijuana לחיים?  Just kidding.

I personally think that we already have some alcohol abuse. It is bad enough as is.

The KK is probably attempting to stop Marijuana from infiltrating our communities for as long as possible.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2021, 12:11:39 PM »
It doesn't take long at all for the right group of people to call them up and get their approval. You think they brought the letter to them to have them physically sign it? Those days are long over.
Ya, the internet kol kore expired when the online fundraising campaigns came out. Not they are able to sign virtually. Phew

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Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2021, 12:12:29 PM »
It doesn't take long at all for the right group of people to call them up and get their approval. You think they brought the letter to them to have them physically sign it? Those days are long over.
I have doubts that "they" were able organize, and contact everyone, in the 36 hours since the bachur was found.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2021, 12:13:45 PM »
Maybe theyre right and should do their independent research if they intend on starting narcotics. Unless they live in Lakewood.
Notice how it's aimed at telling the masses to do what they can to keep it from infiltrating our community and yeshivos.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2021, 12:15:49 PM »
I have doubts that "they" were able organize, and contact everyone, in the 36 hours since the bachur was found.
I don't think it's very difficult, and I'm not convinced everyone on was necessarily informed about it. Unfortunately most Kol Korehs include signatures from people who never signed.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2021, 12:23:16 PM »
I don't think it's very difficult, and I'm not convinced everyone on was necessarily informed about it. Unfortunately most Kol Korehs include signatures from people who never signed.
I hear ya. Doesn't detract from my main point - there's no way this is a knee jerk reaction.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2021, 12:23:44 PM »
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Therefore, we hereby serve notice that any student of our yeshivos who will engage in the recreational use of marijuana, in any form, at any time, even in the slightest way, is considered a poretz gidros olam, has no place in our community, nor in our yeshivos, and will suffer severe consequences as is appropriate to a terrible breach such as this one.

All the while (half the?) bochurim in Lakewood and other yeshivot are taking cigarette breaks on regular -- and even hourly -- basis.

But weed? You're no longer part of our community, you terrible sinner! Cheirem!

Never mind that the lung-health risks of smoking weed appear "relatively small" and "far lower than those of smoking tobacco" which is the top cause of preventable death in the U.S. It's like ER doctors focusing on the paper cut instead of the bullet wound.
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2021, 12:28:16 PM »
All the while (half the?) bochurim in Lakewood and other yeshivot are taking cigarette breaks on regular -- and even hourly -- basis.

But weed? You're no longer part of our community, you terrible sinner! Cheirem!

Never mind that the lung-health risks of smoking weed appear "relatively small" and "far lower than those of smoking tobacco" which is the top cause of preventable death in the U.S. It's like ER doctors focusing on the paper cut instead of the bullet wound.
I'm not commenting on this Kol Korei, but I'm just saying that in my Yeshiva no one was allowed to smoke either.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2021, 12:28:49 PM »
All the while (half the?) bochurim in Lakewood and other yeshivot are taking cigarette breaks on regular -- and even hourly -- basis.

But weed? You're no longer part of our community, you terrible sinner! Cheirem!

Never mind that the lung-health risks of smoking weed appear "relatively small" and "far lower than those of smoking tobacco" which is the top cause of preventable death in the U.S. It's like ER doctors focusing on the paper cut instead of the bullet wound.
Cigarettes are nowhere near as common anymore as you seem to think.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2021, 12:30:14 PM »
I'm not commenting on this Kol Korei, but I'm just saying that in my Yeshiva no one was allowed to smoke either.
Hard to enforce back in the day when so many rabbeim themselves were smokers.

There's no rebbe who (currently) uses.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2021, 12:32:09 PM »
Cigarettes are nowhere near as common anymore as you seem to think.
Same will happen with the legalization of weed. Gonna be taxed to the skies. Will make $15 for a pack of cigarettes look like childs play. 

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2021, 12:39:48 PM »
All the while (half the?) bochurim in Lakewood and other yeshivot are taking cigarette breaks on regular -- and even hourly -- basis.

But weed? You're no longer part of our community, you terrible sinner! Cheirem!

Never mind that the lung-health risks of smoking weed appear "relatively small" and "far lower than those of smoking tobacco" which is the top cause of preventable death in the U.S. It's like ER doctors focusing on the paper cut instead of the bullet wound.
Introducing a new detriment to our community is far, far worse than engaging in an old one, even if the old one is more dangerous.

Simplicity.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2021, 12:44:27 PM »
Introducing a new detriment to our community is far, far worse than engaging in an old one, even if the old one is more dangerous.

Simplicity.

So, don't address the cancer, Dr. Oncologist, it's been there for awhile now. Let's focus on the hang nail he got this morning.

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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2021, 12:44:59 PM »
Introducing a new detriment to our community is far, far worse than engaging in an old one, even if the old one is more dangerous.

<citation needed>
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Re: Lakewood Rabbonim Ban Use and Sale of Marijuana and Related Products
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2021, 12:47:19 PM »
So, don't address the cancer, Dr. Oncologist, it's been there for awhile now. Let's focus on the hang nail he got this morning.
Are rabbonim doing nothing else besides this kol korei? You make it sound like this is the only think they can do...