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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1240 on: May 09, 2022, 10:25:46 AM »


The misquote was on DDF about 6+ days which is not in the source.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1241 on: May 09, 2022, 11:21:54 AM »
Is מציצה בפה a strong thing in chabad?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1242 on: May 09, 2022, 11:25:56 AM »
Is מציצה בפה a strong thing in chabad?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1243 on: May 09, 2022, 11:46:14 AM »
Is מציצה בפה a strong thing in chabad?

The pressure depends on the mohel

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1244 on: May 09, 2022, 12:01:26 PM »
yes.
Would they do Brisim using an instrument instead if family is asking? Or will they work to explain how important it is and try to convince family etc
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1245 on: May 09, 2022, 12:13:46 PM »
Would they do Brisim using an instrument instead if family is asking? Or will they work to explain how important it is and try to convince family etc

Are you referring to a Chabad family or a non-Chabad/non-religious family?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1246 on: May 09, 2022, 12:21:30 PM »
Are you referring to a Chabad family or a non-Chabad/non-religious family?
I think he means a Chabad family. I assume. In that case, yes they would explain why mouth is important and I think it'd be the assume method.

If it's a non-religious person I assume YMMV.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1247 on: May 09, 2022, 12:29:50 PM »
I think he means a Chabad family. I assume. In that case, yes they would explain why mouth is important and I think it'd be the assume method.

If it's a non-religious person I assume YMMV.

For the latter, if the bris wouldn't happen without it, an instrument would be used.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1248 on: May 09, 2022, 01:14:33 PM »
For the latter, if the bris wouldn't happen without it, an instrument would be used.
Got it! So the Chabad Rabbi would do it with an instrument rather than saying "Go to a modern orthodox place to do it"

I guess that answers my question.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1249 on: May 09, 2022, 01:19:00 PM »
Got it! So the Chabad Rabbi would do it with an instrument rather than saying "Go to a modern orthodox place to do it"

I guess that answers my question.
I think generally but I'm sure YLMMV

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1250 on: May 09, 2022, 01:20:05 PM »
Got it! So the Chabad Rabbi would do it with an instrument rather than saying "Go to a modern orthodox place to do it"

I guess that answers my question.

Yes. I’m pretty sure this is the case. Your average Chabad career mohel has a significant amount of experience doing brisim for non-frum people, maybe true for non-Chabad career mohelim as well (I simply don’t know).
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1251 on: May 09, 2022, 01:35:16 PM »
Got it! So the Chabad Rabbi would do it with an instrument rather than saying "Go to a modern orthodox place to do it"

I guess that answers my question.
Locally they would explain the importance of MBP, but yes, they would use an instrument if they insisted.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1252 on: May 09, 2022, 01:39:00 PM »
Why is everyone hacking about what "they" would do, as if there is some sort of chabad policy?
Many mohelim (non-local to the family) have no problem saying that they only do MBP, and they could find someone else.
Many mohelim are flexible to what the family wants.
I don't see why anyone thinks that chabad has a different policy than any other ultra Orthodox mohel

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1253 on: May 09, 2022, 01:44:26 PM »
Why is everyone hacking about what "they" would do, as if there is some sort of chabad policy?
Many mohelim (non-local to the family) have no problem saying that they only do MBP, and they could find someone else.
Many mohelim are flexible to what the family wants.
I don't see why anyone thinks that chabad has a different policy than any other ultra Orthodox mohel
Well most (99%) Chasidish mohelim would only do MBP and would nicely tell the family to go find someone else to do it otherwise. But by chasidish mohelim such scenario would be very rear vs by chabad I assume it can happen often. Hence my question if chabad has any specific policies.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1254 on: May 09, 2022, 01:53:14 PM »
Why is everyone hacking about what "they" would do, as if there is some sort of chabad policy?
Many mohelim (non-local to the family) have no problem saying that they only do MBP, and they could find someone else.
Many mohelim are flexible to what the family wants.
I don't see why anyone thinks that chabad has a different policy than any other ultra Orthodox mohel

The difference Chabad mohelim have to others is the amount of non-religious brisim. The general rule for those is that they would do the bris, I'd be shocked if you found a mohel who wouldn't do it with an instrument if it meant no bris. And there are generally accepted minhagim and practices that do differ between communities. It makes perfect sense to ask what Chabad mohelim would do, and it makes perfect sense that there is a consensus. If you find one or two mohelim who are outliers, that still wouldn't contradict the overall accepted practice.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1255 on: May 09, 2022, 01:55:52 PM »
The difference Chabad mohelim have to others is the amount of non-religious brisim. The general rule for those is that they would do the bris, I'd be shocked if you found a mohel who wouldn't do it with an instrument if it meant no bris. And there are generally accepted minhagim and practices that do differ between communities. It makes perfect sense to ask what Chabad mohelim would do, and it makes perfect sense that there is a consensus. If you find one or two mohelim who are outliers, that still wouldn't contradict the overall accepted practice.
I believe there is one popular prolific chabad mohel who, if he couldn't impress the importance of MBP, would refer the family to someone else, rather than do it himself. I think he personally treats it as שעת שמד

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1256 on: May 09, 2022, 01:59:47 PM »
The difference Chabad mohelim have to others is the amount of non-religious brisim. The general rule for those is that they would do the bris, I'd be shocked if you found a mohel who wouldn't do it with an instrument if it meant no bris. And there are generally accepted minhagim and practices that do differ between communities. It makes perfect sense to ask what Chabad mohelim would do, and it makes perfect sense that there is a consensus. If you find one or two mohelim who are outliers, that still wouldn't contradict the overall accepted practice.
The contrary was not NO BRIS. The contrary would be doing the bris at a mod orthodox place.

Obviously if the other option is NO BRIS then it's a different story.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1257 on: May 09, 2022, 02:05:14 PM »
I believe there is one popular prolific chabad mohel who, if he couldn't impress the importance of MBP, would refer the family to someone else, rather than do it himself. I think he personally treats it as שעת שמד
The contrary was not NO BRIS. The contrary would be doing the bris at a mod orthodox place.

Obviously if the other option is NO BRIS then it's a different story.

Hence my initial comment:
Are you referring to a Chabad family or a non-Chabad/non-religious family?

The answer would not necessarily be the same

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1258 on: May 09, 2022, 02:06:24 PM »
Question was for non chabad / BT family.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #1259 on: May 09, 2022, 02:11:34 PM »
I believe there is one popular prolific chabad mohel who, if he couldn't impress the importance of MBP, would refer the family to someone else, rather than do it himself. I think he personally treats it as שעת שמד

He sounds exceptional, in more ways than one :P
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