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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2021, 01:21:14 PM »
do you understand the initial gezhe question?
There was an initial question?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2021, 01:23:53 PM »
Exactly. Now you get it.

When was the last time you saw me call any of the 30,500 DDFers who came after me a newbie?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2021, 01:25:29 PM »
When was the last time you saw me call any of the 30,500 DDFers who came after me a newbie?

Never did. Have you ever seen a real gezhe person call someone a tzugekumener?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2021, 01:26:56 PM »
There was an initial question?

Firstly how do I tell apart a Gehza from a Tzugekumener? A Reitzes is probably of course a Gehza but how about A Lazar? (Both remote cousins of mine). Don't tell me the most famous Shliach in the world isn't considered Gehza just because he's a descendent from Yekkes.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2021, 01:29:32 PM »
Never did. Have you ever seen a real gezhe person call someone a tzugekumener?
I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2021, 01:30:18 PM »
Takes one to know one.
Wait a second, the Rosh IS actually a Telzer "from home", maybe thats what he meant?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2021, 01:30:35 PM »

 
One thing I can tell you is that they had no lasers urinating in Ukraine under Brezhnev.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2021, 01:30:52 PM »
I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"

If you did, you wouldn't know. They don't wear pins with a "join date."
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2021, 01:31:40 PM »
Wait a second, the Rosh IS actually a Telzer "from home", maybe thats what he meant?

I'm aware. That's why I said

Takes one to know one.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2021, 01:32:55 PM »
*Frog Dissection Ahead*

Gezhe is a joke. It's a term whose definition changes depending on the context and who's using it. It generally means OG Lubavitcher from specific Chassidic towns. It's not something 99.9% of Lubavitchers take seriously. The most common current usage, outside of jokes, is when relative newcomers think they aren't getting a seat at the table because the "gezhe" are Deep State and control the game. You're getting a peak at 50 years of gezhe jokes.

There are certainly deep state who in Lubavitch who are not Gezhe.

Here's a map. I'm sure many towns might be recognized. But it's only the few (Nevel, Klimovitch, Beshinkovitch, Dokshitz and maybe 1 or 2 more) that qualify for the true gezhe hallmark.



ETA: just for fun I've expanded the map to include the (Lithuanian) town where my maternal grandmother comes from, which actually had a Chassidshe community, but my grandmother's family wasn't part of it.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2021, 01:36:07 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2021, 01:34:47 PM »
There are certainly deep state who in Lubavitch who are not Gezhe.

Here's a map. I'm sure many towns might be recognized. But it's only the few (Nevel, Klimovitch, Beshinkovitch, Dokshitz and maybe 1 or 2 more) that qualify for the true gezhe hallmark.


What about kremenchuk?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2021, 01:37:20 PM »
What about kremenchuk?

I said that there should be another 1 or two. Though do you know any kremenchugers that show off with their gezhe brand?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2021, 01:45:13 PM »
I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"

Look me in the eye and say that, you DDF tzugekummener...

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2021, 01:45:53 PM »
spoken like a true mudblood tzugekumener.  ;D ;D

ETA

But my BIL's neighbor's grandfather dreamed about pishing in Nevel, that's gotta count for something.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2021, 01:48:12 PM »
I said that there should be another 1 or two. Though do you know any kremenchugers that show off with their gezhe brand?
All the Kremechucker Berelach....

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2021, 01:54:22 PM »
The most prestigious shliach can indeed not be gezhe. You can be gezhe and not even be an observant Jew. So long as your grandparents urinated in select Russian/Ukranian towns. Depending on which town any gezhe Lubavitcher stems from, the other towns won't count.
why does such a term even exist? Given that chasidus and chabad is all about pnimius,  where someone's grandparents ....... shouldn't carry any weight whatsoever

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2021, 02:05:17 PM »
why does such a term even exist? Given that chasidus and chabad is all about pnimius,  where someone's grandparents ....... shouldn't carry any weight whatsoever
spoken by someone who is obviously not gezhe.....  :P

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2021, 02:06:14 PM »
spoken by someone who is obviously not gezhe.....  :P
Well no. Just An outsider trying to understand

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2021, 02:11:04 PM »
Well no. Just An outsider trying to understand

Don't even try. Don't even try.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2021, 02:11:18 PM »
The act of urination had to occur while Brezhnev was the Secretary-General of the Soviet Communist Party or earlier.
way too late
I guess
A "tzugekumener" is anyone who came to Lubavitch after you, similar to "newbies" on DDF.