Ask a Lubavitcher Anything

[aygart]

do you understand the initial gezhe question?

There was an initial question?

[aygart]

Exactly. Now you get it.

When was the last time you saw me call any of the 30,500 DDFers who came after me a newbie?

[Lurker]

When was the last time you saw me call any of the 30,500 DDFers who came after me a newbie?

Never did. Have you ever seen a real gezhe person call someone a tzugekumener?

[Yehuda57]

There was an initial question?

Firstly how do I tell apart a Gehza from a Tzugekumener? A Reitzes is probably of course a Gehza but how about A Lazar? (Both remote cousins of mine). Don't tell me the most famous Shliach in the world isn't considered Gehza just because he's a descendent from Yekkes.

[aygart]

Never did. Have you ever seen a real gezhe person call someone a tzugekumener?

I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"

[iwlw2]

Takes one to know one.

Wait a second, the Rosh IS actually a Telzer "from home", maybe thats what he meant?

[aygart]

 

One thing I can tell you is that they had no lasers urinating in Ukraine under Brezhnev.

[Lurker]

I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"

If you did, you wouldn't know. They don't wear pins with a "join date."

[Lurker]

Wait a second, the Rosh IS actually a Telzer "from home", maybe thats what he meant?

I'm aware. That's why I said

Takes one to know one.

[ExGingi]

*Frog Dissection Ahead*

Gezhe is a joke. It's a term whose definition changes depending on the context and who's using it. It generally means OG Lubavitcher from specific Chassidic towns. It's not something 99.9% of Lubavitchers take seriously. The most common current usage, outside of jokes, is when relative newcomers think they aren't getting a seat at the table because the "gezhe" are Deep State and control the game. You're getting a peak at 50 years of gezhe jokes.

There are certainly deep state who in Lubavitch who are not Gezhe.

Here's a map. I'm sure many towns might be recognized. But it's only the few (Nevel, Klimovitch, Beshinkovitch, Dokshitz and maybe 1 or 2 more) that qualify for the true gezhe hallmark.



ETA: just for fun I've expanded the map to include the (Lithuanian) town where my maternal grandmother comes from, which actually had a Chassidshe community, but my grandmother's family wasn't part of it.

[neveryou]

There are certainly deep state who in Lubavitch who are not Gezhe.

Here's a map. I'm sure many towns might be recognized. But it's only the few (Nevel, Klimovitch, Beshinkovitch, Dokshitz and maybe 1 or 2 more) that qualify for the true gezhe hallmark.

What about kremenchuk?

[ExGingi]

What about kremenchuk?

I said that there should be another 1 or two. Though do you know any kremenchugers that show off with their gezhe brand?

[AsherO]

I am not certain I have ever seen a "real gezhe person"

Look me in the eye and say that, you DDF tzugekummener...

[AsherO]

spoken like a true mudblood tzugekumener. 

ETA

But my BIL's neighbor's grandfather dreamed about pishing in Nevel, that's gotta count for something.

[iwlw2]

I said that there should be another 1 or two. Though do you know any kremenchugers that show off with their gezhe brand?

All the Kremechucker Berelach....

[mushkovits]

The most prestigious shliach can indeed not be gezhe. You can be gezhe and not even be an observant Jew. So long as your grandparents urinated in select Russian/Ukranian towns. Depending on which town any gezhe Lubavitcher stems from, the other towns won't count.

why does such a term even exist? Given that chasidus and chabad is all about pnimius,  where someone's grandparents ....... shouldn't carry any weight whatsoever

[iwlw2]

why does such a term even exist? Given that chasidus and chabad is all about pnimius,  where someone's grandparents ....... shouldn't carry any weight whatsoever

spoken by someone who is obviously not gezhe..... 

[mushkovits]

spoken by someone who is obviously not gezhe..... 

Well no. Just An outsider trying to understand

[ExGingi]

Well no. Just An outsider trying to understand

Don't even try. Don't even try.

[gozalim]

The act of urination had to occur while Brezhnev was the Secretary-General of the Soviet Communist Party or earlier.

way too late
I guess

A "tzugekumener" is anyone who came to Lubavitch after you, similar to "newbies" on DDF.