Ask a Lubavitcher Anything

[Dan]

How do marrieds make sure their ט"ק is fully spread?

You do both. Over a jacket/kapota is only when davening.

[ExGingi]

Bendel under the shirt over the woolen טלית קטן, gartel over a jacket/kapota when married.

FTFY.

Though I would assume the Zirkinds who wear their ט"ק over their shirts with a vest, might not use a bendel.

The primary function of the Bendel is to keep the טלית קטן spread out while wearing it. Secondary function to act as a gartel, tertiary function for carrying keys on Shabbos.

[Dan]

FTFY.

Though I would assume the Zirkinds who wear their ט"ק over their shirts with a vest, might not use a bendel.

The primary function of the Bendel is to keep the טלית קטן spread out while wearing it. Secondary function to act as a gartel, tertiary function for carrying keys on Shabbos.

Yup. Rabbi Chaikin says the same halacha requires that your shirt be untucked as well.

[EliJelly]

What's the reason for Bocherim not wearing gartels? Like with Rabeinu Taams tfilin?

[Dan]

What's the reason for Bocherim not wearing gartels?

Same reason as never putting on a talis until married?

[EliJelly]

Also, the function of the bendel as a shabbos key bendel cannot be understated.

Either a very old timer with no combination locks or a very up to date with only Ring/electric locks.
My Grandfather zl had his key on his belt, don't know of anyone else today.

[aygart]

Same reason as never putting on a talis until married?

Is it?

[EliJelly]

Same reason as never putting on a talis until married?

That has a source in the Gemara already. When we discussed upthread why bocherim in Sanz put on tefillin chol hamoed I recall the Lubavitchers had a hard time understanding.

[Dan]

Either a very old timer with no combination locks or a very up to date with only Ring/electric locks.
My Grandfather zl had his key on his belt, don't know of anyone else today.

Was very common in CH when I was in yeshiva there.

[ExGingi]

What's the reason for Bocherim not wearing gartels? Like with Rabeinu Taams tfilin?

Nowadays (IINM since תשלו) תפילין דר"ת are started at the same time as Rashi tefillin.

[EliJelly]

Nowadays (IINM since תשלו) תפילין דר"ת are started at the same time as Rashi tefillin.

Right but evidently there was/is a difference for Bocherim that not all chassidishe things applied to them.

[koplonko]

https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15900&pgnum=411

Tali's and gartel have to do with makif, which applies after chasuna
Apparently the rashab told bochurim in tomchei temimim not to wear. Untill then they wore

[koplonko]

How about wearing a gartel on top of a shirt?

When writing a pan or yechidus?

[ExGingi]

When writing a pan or yechidus?

I am referring to davening with a gartel, but without a jacket.

[whYME]

I am referring to davening with a gartel, but without a jacket.

@Something Fishy

[Dan]

Is it?

Yes

[EliJelly]

Yes

Lucky guess... ok. Gartel as makif is not the conventional interpretation.

[Dan]

Lucky guess... ok. Gartel as makif is not the conventional interpretation.

Pretty decent odds that if there are 2 things Chabad doesn't do until marriage that others do earlier, that it would be related.

[aygart]

Pretty decent odds that if there are 2 things Chabad doesn't do until marriage that others do earlier, that it would be related.

The vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews don't wear a talis until they are married.

[Dan]

The vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews don't wear a talis until they are married.

News to me based on seeing bochurim getting an aliya and/or davening at the amud at most non-Chabad shuls.