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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2440 on: March 05, 2023, 01:51:54 PM »
At least none of those have Chabad or Lubavitch in their name.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2441 on: March 05, 2023, 01:54:58 PM »


This surprises me, similar to DDMS CS posts, then again, there are clearly things I’m not aware of.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2442 on: March 05, 2023, 02:00:07 PM »


What are you trying to prove?

I was referring specifically to OK and JNB BD. I didn't want to start naming those that actually use Chabad in their name (which in an of itself I think is wrong in most cases) and certify non-CY.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2443 on: March 05, 2023, 02:01:01 PM »
Are R’ Landau’s shochtim Lubavitchers?

What is a Lubavitcher?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2444 on: March 05, 2023, 02:05:52 PM »
What are you trying to prove?

I was referring specifically to OK and JNB BD. I didn't want to start naming those that actually use Chabad in their name (which in an of itself I think is wrong in most cases) and certify non-CY.

Ha? Then what is your point? If you know there are places with the Chabad name that do it, what difference does it make if the specific examples I gave don't mention Chabad?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2445 on: March 05, 2023, 02:11:50 PM »
Ha? Then what is your point? If you know there are places with the Chabad name that do it, what difference does it make if the specific examples I gave don't mention Chabad?

As far as I understand, there is a place for leniency. So it's definitely better to have it certified kosher except for the CY aspect. However, that is true as long as you don't use the Chabad name, which could imply that it is an acceptable Chabad standard.
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Re: kosher food in airport lounges
« Reply #2446 on: March 05, 2023, 02:40:52 PM »
REALLY??

I see it all the time in Costco, cheesecakes with an OK-D. The optics of it is extremely bad, certifying something you personally view as chazir treif just for the business. It's not like JNB or Hawaii where you can claim you do it as a service for those with no other choice. Costco and consumers in the tri-state can get OU-D if they want.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2447 on: March 05, 2023, 02:42:15 PM »
What is a Lubavitcher?

I’m certainly not using your non-definition.
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Re: kosher food in airport lounges
« Reply #2448 on: March 05, 2023, 02:42:41 PM »
Chasam Sofer has such a tzad.

Big OUCH (CCSPT - IYKYK).
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Re: kosher food in airport lounges
« Reply #2449 on: March 05, 2023, 02:43:58 PM »
CCSPT

Would you decipher that for me for once?

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Re: kosher food in airport lounges
« Reply #2450 on: March 05, 2023, 02:48:54 PM »
Would you decipher that for me for once?
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Re: kosher food in airport lounges
« Reply #2451 on: March 05, 2023, 02:49:10 PM »
Would you decipher that for me for once?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2452 on: March 05, 2023, 02:50:08 PM »
I’m certainly not using your non-definition.

You're proving my point that it's all subjective.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2453 on: March 05, 2023, 02:53:05 PM »
As far as I understand, there is a place for leniency. So it's definitely better to have it certified kosher except for the CY aspect. However, that is true as long as you don't use the Chabad name, which could imply that it is an acceptable Chabad standard.

Source?

I see it all the time in Costco, cheesecakes with an OK-D. The optics of it is extremely bad, certifying something you personally view as chazir treif just for the business. It's not like JNB or Hawaii where you can claim you do it as a service for those with no other choice. Costco and consumers in the tri-state can get OU-D if they want.


Fwiu, the Rebbe told R' Berel Levy to do it. You can argue times (and the entire world of hashgacha) have changed, but it's not a clear cut "they sold out for $$" situation.

The point is not what consumers can or can't get, if the manufacturer doesn't use you, you don't know that they are going to go to the ou, maybe they'll go to an agency that is not reliable.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2454 on: March 05, 2023, 03:01:24 PM »

Fwiu, the Rebbe told R' Berel Levy to do it.

Would be interesting if that's really the case.

The point is not what consumers can or can't get, if the manufacturer doesn't use you, you don't know that they are going to go to the ou, maybe they'll go to an agency that is not reliable.

Once you go this route you can say the same about certifying with all leniencies in the book.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2455 on: March 05, 2023, 03:02:31 PM »
Would be interesting if that's really the case.

Once you go this route you can say the same about certifying with all leniencies in the book.
clearly it's not black and white

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2456 on: March 05, 2023, 03:06:34 PM »
clearly it's not black and white

Because people generally know about the issues of CS so if they're ok with it it's on them? That's true for the most part, though I'd venture to guess that there are some who are not aware, so with the OU they can claim we consider it fully kosher and we aren't machshil anyone, you can't say the same for the OK.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2457 on: March 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM »
Would be interesting if that's really the case.

Once you go this route you can say the same about certifying with all leniencies in the book.

If the book in question is the code of Jewish law, that is indeed true.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2458 on: March 05, 2023, 03:10:41 PM »
Would be interesting if that's really the case.
Maybe it's similar to the Rebbe wanting an eruv in CH, but for people not to know about it or use it.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #2459 on: March 05, 2023, 03:11:35 PM »
If the book in question is the code of Jewish law, that is indeed true.

No, we don't expect kashrus agencies to go with kulos in Shu"A we don't usually go by, just to prevent the company of taking Triangle-K instead.