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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3040 on: September 19, 2023, 02:41:04 PM »
Nice try but no cigar :)
It is crystal clear that the Arizal told others they can nap, the elef lmata isn’t accounting for the first part of the שער הכוונות


This explains why only after davening since it is my on being after shofar
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3041 on: September 19, 2023, 02:42:38 PM »
after shofar
Also why R"H is the only non-fast day where Lubavitchers won't eat mezonos before davening.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3042 on: September 19, 2023, 02:43:24 PM »
Also why R"H is the only non-fast day where Lubavitchers won't eat mezonos before davening.
Why not blow shofar before davening?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3043 on: September 19, 2023, 03:08:46 PM »
Also why R"H is the only non-fast day where Lubavitchers won't eat mezonos before davening.
Unless its Shabbos.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3044 on: September 19, 2023, 03:09:19 PM »
Why not blow shofar before davening?

וכן יזהר היחיד שלא יתקע תקיעת מצוה עד אחר שלש שעות על היום מטעם שנתבאר


Plus you want the bracha should be applied for מלכיות זכרונות ושופרות too.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3045 on: September 19, 2023, 03:12:48 PM »
Also why R"H is the only non-fast day where Lubavitchers won't eat mezonos before davening.

Why is eating before shofar stricter than eating before davening? It should be the other way around.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3046 on: September 19, 2023, 03:15:18 PM »
Unless its Shabbos.
Yes.

Why is eating before shofar stricter than eating before davening?
Yes.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3047 on: September 19, 2023, 03:17:43 PM »
Why not blow shofar before davening?
Maileh to defeat Napoleon, but to eat a Napoleon?!?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3048 on: September 19, 2023, 03:39:29 PM »
Why is eating before shofar stricter than eating before davening? It should be the other way around.
מצוות עשה דאורייתא. We also don't eat before קריאת שמע של שחרית.

And there are people who eat before Shofar (for health reasons - especially if expected to spend time in the 770 washing machine).
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3049 on: September 19, 2023, 03:40:20 PM »
And there are people who eat before Shofar (for health reasons - especially if expected to spend time in the 770 washing machine).
Mezonos?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3050 on: September 19, 2023, 03:41:18 PM »
Mezonos?

Sure. But I haven't heard of Hamotzie (though the Hayom Yom source for eating before davening was about Hamotzie).
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3051 on: September 19, 2023, 03:42:30 PM »
I recall a letter writer lamenting that yeshivos in his circles had learned from Chabad and bochurim were eating before davening. "On Rosh Hashana, instead of saying 'שערי שמים פתח' they are saying 'שערי המטבח פתח'".

And regarding taking naps, some Lubavitchers won't nap on Shabbos either. 


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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3052 on: September 19, 2023, 03:43:35 PM »
Sure.
Interesting, never heard of that before.

(though the Hayom Yom source for eating before davening was about Hamotzie).
Also never heard of that. Link?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3053 on: September 19, 2023, 03:44:45 PM »
Maileh to defeat Napoleon, but to eat a Napoleon?!?
IYKYK, but otherwise frog dissection lab available here: https://derher.org/wp-content/uploads/76-Teves-5779-Alter-Rebbe-and-napoleon.pdf

Also of note, every Chabad shul sings and dances to Napoleon's march before the final shofar blow: https://www.chabad.org/multimedia/music_cdo/aid/140700/jewish/Napoleons-March.htm
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3054 on: September 19, 2023, 03:46:53 PM »
Interesting, never heard of that before.
Once it gets to health issues, risk of passing out, do you think a Dr. would say to avoid eating?

Also never heard of that. Link?
Read the Hayom Yom. There's no mention of mezonos there. It was definitely about Hamotzie. If you don't take my word for it, ask around.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3055 on: September 19, 2023, 03:48:13 PM »
And regarding taking naps, some Lubavitchers won't nap on Shabbos either.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3056 on: September 19, 2023, 03:54:28 PM »
Once it gets to health issues, risk of passing out, do you think a Dr. would say to avoid eating?
No, but I'd imagine there are non-mezonos/hamotzi options that would accomplish the same and would be less problematic?

Once it gets to health issues, risk of passing out, do you think a Dr. would say to avoid eating?
Read the Hayom Yom. There's no mention of mezonos there. It was definitely about Hamotzie. If you don't take my word for it, ask around.
Source? If it was about Hamotzi then why is there mezonos faren davenen and not hamotzi faren davenen in every yeshiva?
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3057 on: September 19, 2023, 03:57:56 PM »
Not really understanding the Lubavitch position on when and what to eat, but I don’t think there is ever a difference between mezonos and hamotze in regards to these halachos.


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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3059 on: September 19, 2023, 04:11:55 PM »
מצוות עשה דאורייתא. We also don't eat before קריאת שמע של שחרית.


And Tefillin is not a מצוות עשה דאורייתא? Anyway, you're conflating two separate issues, eating before a מצוה is only a problem when one eats a כביצה, while eating before davening is prohibited entirely.