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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3060 on: September 19, 2023, 04:15:40 PM »
And Tefillin is not a מצוות עשה דאורייתא? Anyway, you're conflating two separate issues, eating before a מצוה is only a problem when one eats a כביצה, while eating before davening is prohibited entirely.
Hunger to the extent which causes difficulty concentrating would allow eating before davening but not before מצוות AFAIK.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3061 on: September 19, 2023, 04:20:34 PM »
Hunger to the extent which causes difficulty concentrating would allow eating before davening but not before מצוות.

True but he's allowed to satisfy his hunger with less than a כביצה and coffee etc. and that is allowed before shofar as well.

(only hypothetical situation I can see a difference is when one needs more than a כביצה mezonos to be able to concentrate, that's where shabbos because no teffilin and RH because of shofar, differs)

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3062 on: September 19, 2023, 04:25:00 PM »
This explains why only after davening since it is my on being after shofar

That would imply that on RĒH that falls out on Shabbos sleep might not be an issue even before chatzos.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2023, 04:32:24 PM by AsherO »
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3063 on: September 19, 2023, 04:27:27 PM »
That would imply that on Shabbos sleep might not be an issue even before chatzos.
If anything it would be assur even after chatzos on shabbos. I suppose zichron treuah works for this though.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3064 on: September 19, 2023, 04:29:38 PM »
Are Lubavitchers makpid to wear tfellin before eating?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3065 on: September 19, 2023, 04:33:51 PM »
Are Lubavitchers makpid to wear tfellin before eating?

Not typically, no.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3066 on: September 19, 2023, 04:36:33 PM »
Not typically, no.
Interesting, is there something from the Rebbe about this? The Riyatz apparently said not to.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3067 on: September 19, 2023, 04:37:17 PM »
Interesting, is there something from the Rebbe about this? The Riyatz apparently said not to.

Source? Iíve never heard that before
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3068 on: September 19, 2023, 04:40:51 PM »
Source? Iíve never heard that before

https://shulchanaruchharav.com/halacha/eating-and-drinking-before-davening/#_ftnref4

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Tefillin before Shema and eating:[6] If one is eating before Davening, then he is not to say the morning Shema until he puts on Tefillin. Nevertheless, the custom amongst most Chassidim is not to wear Tefillin when saying Shema prior to Davening, even after sunrise. However, some Chassidim are accustomed to wearing Tefillin upon reciting Shema prior to Davening , and so was the directive of the Rebbe Rashab and Rebbe Rayatz. This is not the widespread Chabad custom

Although I can't make out the eating part.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3069 on: September 19, 2023, 04:41:31 PM »
Source? Iíve never heard that before


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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3070 on: September 19, 2023, 05:02:48 PM »
Are Lubavitchers makpid to wear tfellin before eating?

I guess this goes back to the definition of a Lubavitcher. In my book, it's an aspiration. So those with a stronger aspiration definitely do, but IINM there aren't too many of those. I recall driving Rabbi Marlow A"H for a surprise Shechita inspection, as soon as it was zman he had me stop at the side of the road, put on tefillin and said Krias Shema. After he was done we continued on the trip. He could be seen davening at 11am in 770, when very few knew that he put on tefillin and said Shema several hours earlier.

On a side note, different people have their aspirations affect them in different ways. DS takes an entire carry-on full of seforim when he travels so that he can fulfill his learning obligations which are driven by his aspiration to be a Lubavitcher.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3071 on: September 19, 2023, 05:18:01 PM »
I guess this goes back to the definition of a Lubavitcher. In my book, it's an aspiration. So those with a stronger aspiration definitely do, but IINM there aren't too many of those. I recall driving Rabbi Marlow A"H for a surprise Shechita inspection, as soon as it was zman he had me stop at the side of the road, put on tefillin and said Krias Shema. After he was done we continued on the trip. He could be seen davening at 11am in 770, when very few knew that he put on tefillin and said Shema several hours earlier.


The Rayatz's letter implies that those with a stronger aspiration are allowed to eat before davening due to their proper concentration concerns, while the הקורא קריאת שמע בלא תפילין כאילו מעיד עדות שקר בעצמו issue is a given for everyone to follow. What you're saying and what seems to be the Chabad widespread custom today seems to be the opposite, that everybody gets to eat before davening while only the יחידי סגולה are makpid on putting on teffilin with first Shema.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3072 on: September 19, 2023, 06:02:07 PM »
In other news, the most shocked facial expressions you'll ever see, are from non-lubavitchers in a Chabad shul for shachris this week.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3073 on: September 19, 2023, 06:15:29 PM »
When did Chabad stop saying slichos עשרת ימי תשובה?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3074 on: September 19, 2023, 06:53:02 PM »
When did Chabad stop saying slichos עשרת ימי תשובה?

In order not to discriminate against tzugekumeners.

Today in slichos we said "קול מבשר ישמע בעולם, לגאול עם גזע גבעות עולם". :)

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3075 on: September 19, 2023, 07:24:28 PM »
Source? If it was about Hamotzi then why is there mezonos faren davenen and not hamotzi faren davenen in every yeshiva?
In tomchei tmimim bochurim would get heter from Rebbe rashab to eat before davening (with consultation with hanholo regarding the bochurs avoda of tefilla), some was hamotzie, some was mezonos, some was only tea

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3076 on: September 19, 2023, 07:27:03 PM »
When did Chabad stop saying slichos עשרת ימי תשובה?
אין המנהג בחב"ד לומר סליחות בעשרת ימי תשובה (לבד מבצום גדליה). בטעם דבר זה אמר הצמח צדק: עד כאן (עד ר"ה) מצות אמירה, ומכאן ואילך מצות עשיה". עוד ביאר, שעד ראש השנה העבודה היא בדיבור, ומשם ואילך ועד יום הכיפורים העבודה היא במחשבה[21].

על אף שנשיאי חב"ד לא היו אומרים סליחות, היו נשי הנשיאים, הרבנית הצדקנית מרת רבקה אשת מהר"ש, הרבנית הצדקנית מרת חי' מושקא אשת הצמח צדק, והרבנית הצדקנית מרת שיינא אשת אדמו"ר האמצעי, כן אומרות סליחות.[22] בליובאוויטש היו חסידים שכן אמרו סליחות.

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3077 on: September 19, 2023, 07:31:15 PM »
אין המנהג בחב"ד לומר סליחות בעשרת ימי תשובה (לבד מבצום גדליה). בטעם דבר זה אמר הצמח צדק: עד כאן (עד ר"ה) מצות אמירה, ומכאן ואילך מצות עשיה". עוד ביאר, שעד ראש השנה העבודה היא בדיבור, ומשם ואילך ועד יום הכיפורים העבודה היא במחשבה[21].

על אף שנשיאי חב"ד לא היו אומרים סליחות, היו נשי הנשיאים, הרבנית הצדקנית מרת רבקה אשת מהר"ש, הרבנית הצדקנית מרת חי' מושקא אשת הצמח צדק, והרבנית הצדקנית מרת שיינא אשת אדמו"ר האמצעי, כן אומרות סליחות.[22] בליובאוויטש היו חסידים שכן אמרו סליחות.
Interesting, where is this from? And does it give a source for the מימרא of the צמח צדק?

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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3078 on: September 19, 2023, 07:33:40 PM »
In tomchei tmimim bochurim would get heter from Rebbe rashab to eat before davening (with consultation with hanholo regarding the bochurs avoda of tefilla), some was hamotzie, some was mezonos, some was only tea
And yet, mezonos is universal today.
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Re: Ask a Lubavitcher Anything
« Reply #3079 on: September 19, 2023, 07:38:05 PM »
And yet, mezonos is universal today.
Could be practical.

1. It's what people want.

2. Yeshiva doesn't give enough time for mezonos and bentching.
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