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Most kosher programs at hotels , the hotels know already the Jewish style behavior.
And they despise it & itís a massive chillul hashem.

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This has been an issue for me for many years. My response is to clean up as much as I can wherever I happen to be. I always tell my kids and students, you don't want people saying," Ugh! Jews were here." I was at an indoor play place today and I threw out lots of trash.
Good for you. Youíre making a kiddush hashem.

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Lets not forget the siyum hashas, large crowd peaceful event no incidents.

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If you took ~1000 non-jews of any race and put them in a hotel (or any confined space) for 8 days what do you think would happen?
Add in that they pay an arm and a leg and therefore expect to be wined and dined.

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If you took ~1000 non-jews of any race and put them in a hotel (or any confined space) for 8 days what do you think would happen?

If this was limited to Pesach programs where everyone is "confined" for 8 days, you could possibly think to ask that question. It's not. Not even close.
When you find yourself agreeing with me more often than not, it's time for a cheshbon hanefesh.

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If you took ~1000 non-jews of any race and put them in a hotel (or any confined space) for 8 days what do you think would happen?
Thereís a certain level of mess i would expect for a group this size with many kids, but as I mentioned counselor takes care of kids (1 per 15 kids) hands out ice cream in the pool parents sitting nearby donít even raise their eyes from phone or conversations, what do you think the kids did ? Threw them all over the place etc etc I didnít take pictures from all the mess but believe staff was running around on all four cleaning up,
Someone decided it was funny to let the ice machine run all the ice out on the grass outside.

Add in that they pay an arm and a leg and therefore expect to be wined and dined.
Yes that does not give anyone a reason to act like this, you can be respectful AND wined an dined. Although as I said the mentality of many program participants seems ď I own the world, all are here to serve me.

People here can try to excuse this behavior I donít see why so hell bent on doing so....One of the things I havenít seen anyone trying to defend yet was the almost nonexistent masks which in itself was a huge chilul hashem.


I do want to stress that not ALL were like this, there were a few people that I spoke to who honestly seemed very nice and respectful (not surprisingly they were masked).

« Last Edit: April 02, 2021, 10:37:19 AM by Abey »

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Why no masks? Because they're immune

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Why no masks? Because they're immune
Yes so letís stage a protest for the world to see in front NIH & Dr.Fauci 🙄 They are coming here to an island with limited health resources the locals trying their best to mitigate COVID by wearing masks, yes I feel completely safe because itís outdoors but this is their rules !!! How do you think a bellman feels seeing the rich Jews showing up with complete disregard for his/her safety?? 
If you donít want to wear a mask stay home. The public consensus is to wear a mask I donít t see what SO hard to wear one and prevent chilul hashem?

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Why no masks? Because they're immune
Immune to rules and aivah too?

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Do you were a reckel/suit when you hike? Those not wearing masks can't understand why you don't

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Do you were a reckel/suit when you hike? Those not wearing masks can't understand why you don't
ye Iím not going down this rabbit hole with yíall if you canít understand the difference between making others feel in danger.Peace out.

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Do you were a reckel/suit when you hike? Those not wearing masks can't understand why you don't

BS
When you find yourself agreeing with me more often than not, it's time for a cheshbon hanefesh.

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Why no masks? Because they're immune to common decency
FTFY

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ye Iím not going down this rabbit hole with yíall if you canít understand the difference between making others feel in danger.Peace out.
Iím not defending it, but if you want to understand it, many are taught that antisemitism is inherent, all the goyim want to kill and destroy all the Jews, and since itís already as bad as it can possibly get, nothing we do can make it worse, so there is no reason to bother.

Aside from it being both empirically untrue and contrary to halachos of Aivah that are doche shabbos, it also ignores the concept of Chilul Hashem, which the Gemara and Poskim explicitly say applies even if itís only a result of Goyim incorrectly assuming Jews are acting inappropriately.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר Ė יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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many are taught that antisemitism is inherent, all the goyim want to kill and destroy all the Jews, and since itís already as bad as it can possibly get, nothing we do can make it worse, so there is no reason to bother.
I disagree with this. Nobody is taught that since they want to destroy us anyways letís act like pigs.
the goyim want to kill and destroy all the Jews
שבכל דור ודור עומדים עלינו לכלותינו :)