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Do you contribute to retirement funds?

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #340 on: August 30, 2021, 08:47:50 PM »
It excels the aging with lighting speed
Not for those that stay active.
Remember that those in poor health retire early so is that skewing the data?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #342 on: August 30, 2021, 08:54:00 PM »
Not for those that stay active.
Remember that those in poor health retire early so is that skewing the data?
It's very hard to have a structured life when nothing is pressuring you to do so, like saving when not forced to
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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #343 on: August 30, 2021, 10:29:00 PM »
https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/925452/jewish/Investing-for-Peace-of-Mind.htm

https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/letters/default_cdo/aid/821810/jewish/On-Investing-in-Stocks.htm

https://anash.org/the-rebbe-on-investing-in-stocks/

Thank you.

I don't think either of these precludes putting money in index funds and forgetting about it for decades, which is what is being advised on this thread. The lack of menuchas hanefesh comes from trading stocks, and the other point about speculation is also not applicable to index funds that you ignore.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #344 on: August 30, 2021, 10:50:46 PM »
Thank you.

I don't think either of these precludes putting money in index funds and forgetting about it for decades, which is what is being advised on this thread. The lack of menuchas hanefesh comes from trading stocks, and the other point about speculation is also not applicable to index funds that you ignore.

The "forgetting about it for decades" is the key. The way I understand the lack of מנוחת הנפש issue with stocks is the constant awareness of frequent price fluctuations. If the market were to drop 4% in one day, I am pretty sure that even a person that intends to "forget about it for decades" will think about it. Depending on what else is going on in that person's life, it might create more of an issue. If the drop continues, it is almost inevitable that mental energy might be spent pondering it. Whether fear of untimely losses, or greed of BTD, or regrets of not BTD or not selling some position at a certain point, and and all of those take mental space and energy, and I think that is the issue the Rebbe is referring to. And the larger the balance is, the more mental space it takes.

Full disclosure: I do have money invested in stocks in various types of accounts. I have one tiny HSA account in which my 1 year rate of return is triple digit. I took some risks there, got a little lucky, and timed some things right. Had I lost 90% of the value of that account I wouldn't lose a beat (though all along I had a significant portion of that account invested in a high dividend paying stock). But for my larger and more significant retirement accounts, there's much less risk taken, and returns are much lower accordingly.
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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #345 on: August 30, 2021, 11:18:27 PM »
This is a very basic strategy to keep a retirement fund active throughout retirement. Fix it to personal needs.

https://www.amazon.com/Buckets-Money-Retirement-Solution-Ultimate/dp/0470581573/
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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #346 on: September 10, 2021, 07:35:58 AM »
Can anyone recommend a TIRA broker for someone just starting out?

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #347 on: September 10, 2021, 10:10:10 AM »
Can anyone recommend a TIRA broker for someone just starting out?
There is no need for a broker. You can open a TIRA with TD Ameritrade or the like in less then 10 min.
Feel free to PM if you have any questions.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #348 on: September 10, 2021, 10:11:26 AM »
There is no need for a broker. You can open a TIRA with TD Ameritrade or the like in less then 10 min.
Feel free to PM if you have any questions.
was asking which online brokers do people recommend

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #349 on: September 10, 2021, 10:16:31 AM »
was asking which online brokers do people recommend
TD, Fidelity, are excellent choices.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #350 on: September 10, 2021, 02:40:52 PM »
TD, Fidelity, are excellent choices.
Vanguard is the largest and probably cheapest for index funds although fidelity is pretty competitive too.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #351 on: September 10, 2021, 02:42:14 PM »
Also look into whether a solo 401k works for you. It allows backdoor Roth IRA contributions without triggering pro rata rules

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #352 on: September 10, 2021, 06:00:58 PM »
Vanguard is the largest and probably cheapest for index funds although fidelity is pretty competitive too.
TD and Fidelity don’t charge any fees for an IRA account.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #353 on: September 11, 2021, 09:36:38 PM »
TD and Fidelity don’t charge any fees for an IRA account.


I'm talking about trade fees and expense ratios

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #354 on: September 11, 2021, 10:01:21 PM »

I'm talking about trade fees and expense ratios
That has nothing to do with what broker one uses.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #355 on: September 11, 2021, 10:02:47 PM »
That has nothing to do with what broker one uses.
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e.g. many Vanguard funds aren't available via other brokers.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #356 on: September 12, 2021, 04:06:12 PM »
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e.g. many Vanguard funds aren't available via other brokers.
IME there aren’t any Vanguard index funds that are relevant to (IRA) retail investors that aren’t available on TD.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #357 on: September 12, 2021, 04:08:43 PM »
IME there aren’t any Vanguard index funds that are relevant to (IRA) retail investors that aren’t available on TD.
Target date *mutual* funds are Vanguard exclusive IINM

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #358 on: September 12, 2021, 06:20:40 PM »
Target date *mutual* funds are Vanguard exclusive IINM
Incorrect.

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Re: Retirement Funds
« Reply #359 on: September 12, 2021, 06:23:16 PM »
Incorrect.
Ah you're right. They add a transaction fee to buy from a third party, but they're available outside of Vanguard.