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Math is racist
« on: April 14, 2021, 10:05:42 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-racism-math-framework.amp

 “the focus on finding the right answer is an example of White supremacy“

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2021, 11:23:06 PM »
OTOH, numbers are always either black or red...
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2021, 11:32:02 PM »
OTOH, numbers are always either black or red...
But they are subservient to the white background that they are confined to. This is so exclusionary. It reeks of white privilege and obviously traces back to 17th century white imperialism and fails to acknowledge that different ethnicities have alternative background traditions, such as grey cave walls and clay colored hieroglyphic stone.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2021, 08:50:46 AM »
What's scary is that these people really believe it.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 09:05:36 AM »
Can someone please explain what exactly it is that they are proposing?
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 09:08:01 AM »
What's scary is that these people really believe it.
Believe what? The article is scant on details.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 09:18:15 AM »
Believe what? The article is scant on details.
+1 all it does is quote the dumb platitudes without so much as a mention of what it is they are proposing. The article is just as dumb as the platitudes.
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2021, 09:32:59 AM »
What's scary is that these people really believe it.
Believe what? The article is scant on details.
What part of math are they saying is racist? @flyingace
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2021, 10:38:32 AM »
What part of math are they saying is racist? @flyingace
Don't have time to find it but I read the proposals and report several weeks ago... I'll try to find it later.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2021, 10:54:59 AM »
Here are some quotes from the download from Equitablemath.org, as examples of when "we see white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom:"

The focus is on getting the “right” answer
Students are required to show their work
Too often students are tracked based on the notion that adults know what the right thing is for them
Math is taught in a linear fashion and skills are taught sequentially
teachers or other experts can and should correct mistakes

Some of the other ideas they raise have validity, but having nothing to do with racism, and relating to generally effective student interaction, teaching methods, and encouraging student participation & engagement.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 10:58:43 AM by sguitarist18 »

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2021, 12:07:12 PM »
Here are some quotes from the download from Equitablemath.org, as examples of when "we see white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom:"

The focus is on getting the “right” answer
Students are required to show their work
Too often students are tracked based on the notion that adults know what the right thing is for them
Math is taught in a linear fashion and skills are taught sequentially
teachers or other experts can and should correct mistakes

Some of the other ideas they raise have validity, but having nothing to do with racism, and relating to generally effective student interaction, teaching methods, and encouraging student participation & engagement.
This still tells me nothing about what they are actually proposing.
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2021, 12:13:38 PM »
I was responding to CV's question.

They make extensive proposals of how things should be. The problem is that (aside from the CRT issues) you end up running into the same issues education always runs into - classes are too large, time is too short. If the teacher-student ratio was 1:1, they have some great suggestions.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2021, 12:32:09 PM »
I was responding to CV's question.

They make extensive proposals of how things should be. The problem is that (aside from the CRT issues) you end up running into the same issues education always runs into - classes are too large, time is too short. If the teacher-student ratio was 1:1, they have some great suggestions.
I actually went to the site you mentioned and I do see some proposals there. Meanwhile, every proposal I see is actually a great idea and it seems like the racial part of it is nothing more than marketing. It does make it a hard read to figure out what they actually want to be done.
This is a pretty common occurrence. The left makes a proposal and frames some potentially good ideas in a bunch of garbage and nonsense, the right instinctively focuses on the nonsense as if the actual proposal doesn't exist and ignores the actual proposals.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 12:39:59 PM by aygart »
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2021, 01:13:23 PM »
Here are some quotes from the download from Equitablemath.org, as examples of when "we see white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom:"

The focus is on getting the “right” answer
Students are required to show their work
Too often students are tracked based on the notion that adults know what the right thing is for them
Math is taught in a linear fashion and skills are taught sequentially
teachers or other experts can and should correct mistakes

Some of the other ideas they raise have validity, but having nothing to do with racism, and relating to generally effective student interaction, teaching methods, and encouraging student participation & engagement.
Wasn't participation awards supposed to solve all this ?

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Re: Math is racist
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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2021, 02:14:34 PM »
I actually went to the site you mentioned and I do see some proposals there. Meanwhile, every proposal I see is actually a great idea and it seems like the racial part of it is nothing more than marketing. It does make it a hard read to figure out what they actually want to be done.
This is a pretty common occurrence. The left makes a proposal and frames some potentially good ideas in a bunch of garbage and nonsense, the right instinctively focuses on the nonsense as if the actual proposal doesn't exist and ignores the actual proposals.

If the left would present their ideas without the nonsense, maybe they would find acceptance. What happens is that the nonsense then becomes a part of the narrative and is bound to the subject forever after. If this proposal, with all the racist and white supremacy language, is accepted by the district as is, it will then be taught as reality in colleges. The fact that it is being presented in the context of math, which is mostly black and white (!), makes it all the more ludicrous. It's not (all) the actual proposals that are insane, it's the premise on which it is being presented that is insane.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2021, 02:50:46 PM »


I actually saw the video in the past, and it's scary how close to reality it is.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2021, 03:00:11 PM »

This is a must watch for everyone these days. If you were laughing when watching, beware. This perfectly demonstrates where things can go if we keep up this PC junk.

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2021, 04:22:16 PM »
reminds me of the joke with the broken tablets

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Re: Math is racist
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2021, 04:36:52 PM »
If the left would present their ideas without the nonsense, maybe they would find acceptance. What happens is that the nonsense then becomes a part of the narrative and is bound to the subject forever after. If this proposal, with all the racist and white supremacy language, is accepted by the district as is, it will then be taught as reality in colleges. The fact that it is being presented in the context of math, which is mostly black and white (!), makes it all the more ludicrous. It's not (all) the actual proposals that are insane, it's the premise on which it is being presented that is insane.
THe right ignoring what is actually being proposed and focusing ENTIRELY on the platitudes is almost as ludirous
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