Author Topic: Israel Halting Student visas for now due to fraudulent visas (Read 19225 times)

Afrages6 · « **Reply #160 on:** June 16, 2021, 10:13:36 PM »

Quote from: yesitsme on June 16, 2021, 09:55:06 PM

Yeshiva-students/israel

What did Israel do wrong?

yesitsme · « **Reply #161 on:** June 17, 2021, 01:16:32 AM »

Quote from: Afrages6 on June 16, 2021, 10:13:36 PM

What did Israel do wrong?

why do they make things super complicated?

Happyguy · « **Reply #162 on:** June 17, 2021, 03:39:51 AM »

Quote from: Kobe Bryant on June 16, 2021, 06:54:40 PM

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1983824/scandal-israel-student-visas-potentially-in-jeopardy-as-wedding-fraud-creates-a-colossal-chillul-hashem.html

Any other news sites reporting it?

yfr bachur · « **Reply #163 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:02:26 AM »

Quote from: yesitsme on June 16, 2021, 08:57:54 PM

Theyre both wrong

Though I think I understand where your point of view comes from, I couldn't disagree more.
Though you or I may disagree with them, as a sovereign state Israel is entitled to enforce whatever border controls they want.
Play stupid games with immigration, win stupid prizes. If this was the US or the UK, the would-be students would be looking at at least a ten year ban, if not lifetime. The people involved in the "Yeshiva" would be looking at hard time for immigration fraud.
Sorry, what these people allegedly did is self-centered and wrong. Your attendance at a wedding is not worth possibly causing hardship to thousands of families and bachurim.

ExGingi · « **Reply #164 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:29:29 AM »

Quote from: yfr bachur on June 17, 2021, 10:02:26 AM

Though I think I understand where your point of view comes from, I couldn't disagree more.
Though you or I may disagree with them, as a sovereign state Israel is entitled to enforce whatever border controls they want.
Play stupid games with immigration, win stupid prizes. If this was the US or the UK, the would-be students would be looking at at least a ten year ban, if not lifetime. The people involved in the "Yeshiva" would be looking at hard time for immigration fraud.
Sorry, what these people allegedly did is self-centered and wrong. Your attendance at a wedding is not worth possibly causing hardship to thousands of families and bachurim.

While I agree with most of what you write, the issue seems to be the inconsistencies and haphazard way of making up rules, with exceptions, protektsia, etc. etc. (along with total frustration with disruptions to many people's lives, without a proper individualized review process). Obviously, none of this justifies making false statements for the purpose of attending a wedding, in a way that could jeopardize the process for many others.

points 99 · « **Reply #165 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:36:29 AM »

Quote from: Happyguy on June 17, 2021, 03:39:51 AM

Any other news sites reporting it?

It wasn't a news article. It was written by Amudim. Question is did they ever help someone out, in a way that bent rules, as a favor to a friend or large donor? We all know that they are unbelievable askonim who are the go-to people to help out in real emergencies. But I can't imagine that they were never asked by someone who they couldn't refuse, to help for a non emergency. If they did, then they have no business complaining about someone else trying to bend rules. It's Israel that we are talking about....

aygart · « **Reply #166 on:** June 17, 2021, 10:43:28 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on June 17, 2021, 10:29:29 AM

While I agree with most of what you write, the issue seems to be the inconsistencies and haphazard way of making up rules, with exceptions, protektsia, etc. etc. (along with total frustration with disruptions to many people's lives, without a proper individualized review process). Obviously, none of this justifies making false statements for the purpose of attending a wedding, in a way that could jeopardize the process for many others.

There are hundreds of yeshiva bachurim who had their zman broken up because of those who did this before and now may happen again. Not a great idea to have such an albatross hanging from one's neck.

ExGingi · « **Reply #167 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:06:43 AM »

Quote from: aygart on June 17, 2021, 10:43:28 AM

There are hundreds of yeshiva bachurim who had their zman broken up because of those who did this before and now may happen again. Not a great idea to have such an albatross hanging from one's neck.

Biggest "culprit" seems to be the Yeshiva that issued whatever documentation they issued. They are actually shooting themselves in the foot.

yelped · « **Reply #168 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:12:44 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on June 17, 2021, 11:06:43 AM

Biggest "culprit" seems to be the Yeshiva that issued whatever documentation they issued. They are actually shooting themselves in the foot.

Probably a Yeshiva that doesn't really exist anymore.

ExGingi · « **Reply #169 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:23:24 AM »

Quote from: yelped on June 17, 2021, 11:12:44 AM

Probably a Yeshiva that doesn't really exist anymore.

So how are they able to issue any documents for permits/visas?

Euclid · « **Reply #170 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:27:44 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on June 17, 2021, 11:23:24 AM

So how are they able to issue any documents for permits/visas?

a photoshop yeshiva

aygart · « **Reply #171 on:** June 17, 2021, 11:29:02 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on June 17, 2021, 11:06:43 AM

Biggest "culprit" seems to be the Yeshiva that issued whatever documentation they issued. They are actually shooting themselves in the foot.

With shooting every other Yeshiva at the same time.

yfr bachur · « **Reply #172 on:** June 17, 2021, 12:35:17 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 17, 2021, 10:43:28 AM

There are hundreds of yeshiva bachurim who had their zman broken up because of those who did this before and now may happen again. Not a great idea to have such an albatross hanging from one's neck.

Its not just bachurim. It's families stuck away from home. It's fathers or mothers who went to a family simcha or to visit ailing relative that get separated from their families for an extended period of time.
It's selfish and shameful.

JlmBoi · « **Reply #173 on:** June 17, 2021, 12:41:30 PM »

Quote from: yfr bachur on June 17, 2021, 10:02:26 AM

Your attendance at a wedding is not worth possibly causing hardship to thousands of families and bachurim.

Would you say that if it was your sons wedding?

Quote from: yfr bachur on June 17, 2021, 12:35:17 PM

It's fathers or mothers who went to a family simcha or to visit ailing relative that get separated from their families for an extended period of time.

Do you know these people are not one of those?

Yehudaa · « **Reply #174 on:** June 17, 2021, 12:44:01 PM »

Quote from: JlmBoi on June 17, 2021, 12:41:30 PM

Would you say that if it was your sons wedding?

I certainly hope I would.

yfr bachur · « **Reply #175 on:** June 17, 2021, 12:58:09 PM »

Quote from: JlmBoi on June 17, 2021, 12:41:30 PM

Would you say that if it was your sons wedding?

A parent can get a permit to go to his sons wedding without being a student.

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Do you know these people are not one of those?

If they were, they would be enrolled already in a Yeshiva. They wouldn't need to break the rules, and this wouldn't be a scandal.

JlmBoi · « **Reply #176 on:** June 17, 2021, 01:06:56 PM »

Quote from: yfr bachur on June 17, 2021, 12:58:09 PM

They wouldn't need to break the rules, and this wouldn't be a scandal.

I'm saying it can apply both ways... So they would not be students.

yfr bachur · « **Reply #177 on:** June 17, 2021, 01:19:53 PM »

Quote from: JlmBoi on June 17, 2021, 01:06:56 PM

I'm saying it can apply both ways... So they would not be students.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

Drago · « **Reply #178 on:** June 23, 2021, 05:29:29 AM »

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/dozens-impersonate-yeshiva-students-in-order-to-enter-israel-report-671789

Seems like they made it in despite Amudim catching it.
Hope they get the 5 year ban.

Anyone know the type of wedding it was to garner so much desire to come in?

LongTimeLurker · « **Reply #179 on:** June 23, 2021, 05:42:36 AM »

Quote from: Drago on June 23, 2021, 05:29:29 AM

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/dozens-impersonate-yeshiva-students-in-order-to-enter-israel-report-671789

Seems like they made it in despite Amudim catching it.
Hope they get the 5 year ban.

Anyone know the type of wedding it was to garner so much desire to come in?

One of the news sites said it was in Kfar Saba FWIW.