Israel Halting Student visas for now due to fraudulent visas

[mochjas]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1965176/breaking-israel-stops-giving-entry-permits-to-students-thanks-to-a-few-who-engaged-in-fraudulent-activity.html

[yelped]

Covid has been so embarrassing.....

[UKinNYS]

people dont learn 

[ExGingi]

לאו עכברא גנב אלא חורא גנב

[m65]

whats with those who already have permits?

[Moshe123]

The policy now is utterly unreasonable for vaccinated yidden, with covid non existent in Israel. I totally condone what these people did. It's not in a goyish country.

[Alex1974]

The policy now is utterly unreasonable for vaccinated yidden, with covid non existent in Israel. I totally condone what these people did. It's not in a goyish country.

But you believe that in a goyish country this wouldn't be a problem, and is allowed al pi Torah?

[KSMH]

The policy now is utterly unreasonable for vaccinated yidden, with covid non existent in Israel. I totally condone what these people did. It's not in a goyish country.

So called Jewish country denying entry to jews based on unsectific data...
In the country the chastises and degrades frum jews at a worse way the many European countries do now and  just the opposite of what the so called Jewish country was founded for shall not be surprised at what's going on.

Is it not "our" land, why does a citizenship determine entry.

[Moshe123]

But you believe that in a goyish country this wouldn't be a problem, and is allowed al pi Torah?

In a goyish country there is a chilul hashem problem.
Here it's just some Jews who decided to ban entry to other Jews for stupid reasons. If someone is vaccinated obviously.

[Lurker]

In a goyish country there is a chilul hashem problem.
Here it's just some Jews who decided to ban entry to other Jews for stupid reasons. If someone is vaccinated obviously.

Does this apply to any and all Israeli laws you find unreasonable? Is it just you that needs to find it unreasonable, or does every individual get to decide that on their own for each law?

[Traveler718]

In a goyish country there is a chilul hashem problem.
Here it's just some Jews who decided to ban entry to other Jews for stupid reasons. If someone is vaccinated obviously.

Because the people who fraudulently obtained student visas are obviously vaccinated, and are certainly ne'eman to be honest about their vaccination status and concern for public health...

[ckmk47]

In a goyish country there is a chilul hashem problem.
Here it's just some Jews who decided to ban entry to other Jews for stupid reasons. If someone is vaccinated obviously.

Chilul Hashem applies in front of Jews.  Especially in front of Jews that already have a low opinion of frum Jews.

[Tzioni]

Let's get the facts straight. There were very few permits that were outright 'sold'. There were some mosdos, who had big donors that want to come to EY, and they facilitated their entry ishur through the student visa/ishur. This was more than just a favor being done out of hakoras hatov, it's sort of like a business deal.
This all goes back to the tzionim being brainwashed that the chareidim are takers. The fact is that the Israeli economy would not survive without the money being poured in by frum people all over the world. Every block has a shul/yeshiva which was paid at least in part by hundreds of millions of dollars of donations annually. The frum tourists are essential to the economy.
Now the current law does allow for entry for economic reasons. So why isn't this part of the economy recognised?
Chag sameach

[m65]

does every individual get to decide that on their own for each law?

so who do u think should decide?

i cant tell u who, but i can definitely give u a list of 120 ppl who shouldnt

[Lurker]

so who do u think should decide?

i cant tell u who, but i can definitely give u a list of 120 ppl who shouldnt

And when there are 120 lawmakers you like, but others don't, then they get to decide not to follow the laws? And this only applies when the lawmakers are Jewish? C'mon, man.

[Moshe123]

Does this apply to any and all Israeli laws you find unreasonable? Is it just you that needs to find it unreasonable, or does every individual get to decide that on their own for each law?

Yeah. Depending on the consequences and how reasonable. I decide.

[KSMH]

For those asking, you and I may not agree but there is Halachik opinion from reputable poskim regarding adherence requirements as to Israeli law.

We have our Torah to follow, lying is not ok, but is bending the law and becoming a student temporarily, maybe?

I'm not a posek so my opinion shall not make a difference in this matter, as how to proceed so ask your local rabbi and don't judge others.

[Lurker]

Yeah. Depending on the consequences and how reasonable. I decide.

Just you, or everyone gets to pick and choose what they find reasonable?

FTR, the consequence for making forged student visas is getting all student visas halted. Not sure how one can halachically justify causing harm to so many people just because they don't think the people in charge are reasonable.

[Lurker]

We have our Torah to follow, lying is not ok, but is bending the law and becoming a student temporarily, maybe?

How can you say lying is not ok, but maybe there's a loophole to forge student visas? Explain the logic to me, please.

[shapsam]

Just you, or everyone gets to pick and choose what they find reasonable?

FTR, the consequence for making forged student visas is getting all student visas halted. Not sure how one can halachically justify causing harm to so many people just because they don't think the people in charge are reasonable.

No one forged student visas, people got student entry permits for non students, big difference.