Guilty?

[Lurker]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-police-fatally-shoot-teen-girl-just-before-chauvin-verdict-this-stuff-just-never-ends/ar-BB1fS9IY?ocid=msedgntp

https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-involved-shooting-columbus-ohio-1-dead

Based on the details of this case, I think it does great harm to juxtapose it with the Floyd case. It causes nuance to be lost by both sides, and promotes extremism.

[PlatinumGuy]

Can you think of any argument at all to bring this to the federal courts at this point?

Im not sure if you’re being facetious or serious but

Convictions have only rarely been overturned based on publicity prior to or during the trial, or perceptions of pressure on the jury. The most prominent such case recently involved Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was sentenced to death following a jury trial for the deadly bombing of the Boston Marathon finish line in 2013. Tsarnaev’s lawyers opposed the death sentence, but conceded his involvement in the bombing.

Last year, a federal appeals court overturned the death sentence, ruling that the 2015 trial appeared to have been tainted by “an avalanche of pretrial publicity” and that the judge overseeing the case did not adequately question jurors about whether they were exposed to the “reign of terror” in the Boston area during the manhunt for Tsarnaev and his brother, who died during a shootout with police.

The Supreme Court announced last month that it would take up the marathon bombing case, meaning the justices will likely issue a ruling on the publicity issue late this year or early next.

[PlatinumGuy]

I find it ironic to see many of the same voices complaining that Chauvin is being jailed unfairly despite believing the alternative would have lead to widespread rioting were rooting against covid precautions, sacrificing the elderly & weak for the benefit of normalcy and supporting ruthless policing tactics for the greater good

In other words, Chauvin’s life to many is more important than the hundreds of thousands who have died from Covid and countless people brutalized by police tactics.

[CountValentine]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-involved-shooting-columbus-ohio-1-dead

Based on the details of this case, I think it does great harm to juxtapose it with the Floyd case. It causes nuance to be lost by both sides, and promotes extremism.

Ya, I should have started a new thread so then I can get jumped on for starting new threads. 

[Lurker]

Ya, I should have started a new thread so then I can get jumped on for starting new threads. 

The comment was more on the article you posted than on where you posted it.

[lev g]

I find it ironic to see many of the same voices complaining that Chauvin is being jailed unfairly despite believing the alternative would have lead to widespread rioting were rooting against covid precautions, sacrificing the elderly & weak for the benefit of normalcy and supporting ruthless policing tactics for the greater good

In other words, Chauvin’s life to many is more important than the hundreds of thousands who have died from Covid and countless people brutalized by police tactics.

There is no connection between these two cases, the point is you don’t make in Not justice ruling because you are being blackmailed by a bunch of rioters.

[CountValentine]

I find it ironic to see many of the same voices complaining that Chauvin is being jailed unfairly despite believing the alternative would have lead to widespread rioting were rooting against covid precautions, sacrificing the elderly & weak for the benefit of normalcy and supporting ruthless policing tactics for the greater good

In other words, Chauvin’s life to many is more important than the hundreds of thousands who have died from Covid and countless people brutalized by police tactics.

There is a distinct pattern to many of the posters.

[yerushabubby]

Floyd was saying "I cant breath" long before the officer had his knee on his back. Under cross examination, the police force professional admitted that there were many times he also did not believe there was a medical issue even when the suspect insisted there was.

True, but at a certain point they must have realized that he actually was having difficulty breathing.  I understand not believing what Floyd was saying, especially since, if I remember correctly, he claimed that he was having trouble breathing due to claustrophobia, but once his breathing became labored, there was no excuse to continue applying that level of pressure.

[yuneeq]

Floyd was saying "I cant breath" long before the officer had his knee on his back. Under cross examination, the police force professional admitted that there were many times he also did not believe there was a medical issue even when the suspect insisted there was.

There are other ways to restrain a person without sitting on their neck

[PlatinumGuy]

There is no connection between these two cases, the point is you don’t make in Not justice ruling because you are being blackmailed by a bunch of rioters.

Yes but why does (perceived) injustice to Chauvin bother people more than harm to covid carriers, police brutality victims, or children of illegal immigrants?

[Yehuda57]

Yes but why does (perceived) injustice to Chauvin bother people more than harm to covid carriers, police brutality victims, or children of illegal immigrants?

Because ice cream has no bones.

[Afrages6]

Im not sure if you’re being facetious or serious but

That was a federal case to begin with

[PlatinumGuy]

That was a federal case to begin with

Yeah but doesn’t the appeal on due process grounds gives Federal court jurisdiction regardless of where it started?

[Ephcc90]

Yeah but doesn’t the appeal on due process grounds gives Federal court jurisdiction regardless of where it started?

I think (not positive though) that you can only file a writ of habeas corpus (which alleges a violation of constitutional rights) after exhausting all state appeals first.

[YitzyS]

Ok fair enough. What are your thoughts on this specific example?

I have almost no knowledge about the incident. Skimming the Wikipedia page gives me the feelings that it was regular mass murder. The most obvious issue in the story is that the villagers posed no threat to anyone else, so killing them would seem to be an obvious crime. And no, while following orders can be an excuse for certain things, it is not a blanket excuse that can be applied to senseless murder.

[CountValentine]

I have almost no knowledge about the incident. Skimming the Wikipedia page gives me the feelings that it was regular mass murder. The most obvious issue in the story is that the villagers posed no threat to anyone else, so killing them would seem to be an obvious crime. And no, while following orders can be an excuse for certain things, it is not a blanket excuse that can be applied to senseless murder.

The case was a little more complicated but we will leave it at that.

[PlatinumGuy]

I think (not positive though) that you can only file a writ of habeas corpus (which alleges a violation of constitutional rights) after exhausting all state appeals first.

Yeah, nobody said he wouldn't need to do that first

[Ephcc90]

Yeah, nobody said he wouldn't need to do that first

Well, the original comment said can it be brought to Federal court “at this point.”  So the answer, I think, is no.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-candidate-for-governor-says-chauvin-verdict-makes-her-sick/ar-BB1fUc1q?li=BBnbfcL

[Lurker]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-candidate-for-governor-says-chauvin-verdict-makes-her-sick/ar-BB1fUc1q?li=BBnbfcL

What happened to ignoring the wackos?