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Guilty?

No
17 (47.2%)
Yes
19 (52.8%)

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2021, 04:43:53 PM »
I served on three (maybe four) juries. They look at the evidence. If they were scared to serve they would not be on the jury.

Were any of them nearly as consequential to the entire country? Did any of them touch on social issues outside of the law? Again,

I think you assume most people are like you. It's very generous to give the benefit of the doubt, but I (and it seems many others here) have a lesser opinion of people's ability to remain uninfluenced by outside factors.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2021, 04:48:31 PM »
I served on three (maybe four) juries. They look at the evidence. If they were scared to serve they would not be on the jury.
Jurors have admitted live on tv that they were influenced or scared.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2021, 04:54:24 PM »
If found guilty will it be do not pass go, do not collect 200 and go straight to jail?
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2021, 04:55:01 PM »
Jurors have admitted live on tv that they were influenced or scared.
Have no idea what you are referring to, link?
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2021, 04:56:55 PM »
If found guilty will it be do not pass go, do not collect 200 and go straight to jail?

I believe that if the verdict mandates jail, he goes straight to jail until sentencing.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2021, 05:05:44 PM »
Looks like it's about to begin

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2021, 05:06:29 PM »
I served on three (maybe four) juries. They look at the evidence. If they were scared to serve they would not be on the jury.
I served on grand juries where a juror in deliberation called for everyone to vote a certain way as a SJ statement.
and other cases where jurors dared not ask questions that might be perceived as defending a socially despicable defendant

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2021, 05:07:04 PM »
They found him guilty on all counts

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2021, 05:17:17 PM »
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2021, 05:29:47 PM »
#faketv
Nice of you to finally come around on this, but facts are that some people arent as pure as you going into that room.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2021, 05:43:13 PM »
Nice of you to finally come around on this, but facts are that some people arent as pure as you going into that room.
Look the only reason we are hearing this is to try and discredit the verdict. This was worse than a blowout.
I will say these  >:( >:( >:( hypocrites need to be locked up. All this BS it was a fair trial just because the decision was in their favor.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2021, 06:00:45 PM »
Look the only reason we are hearing this is to try and discredit the verdict. This was worse than a blowout.
I will say these  >:( >:( >:( hypocrites need to be locked up. All this BS it was a fair trial just because the decision was in their favor.
Facts dont care about a verdict.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2021, 06:01:31 PM »
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2021, 06:02:09 PM »
Facts dont care about a verdict.
The verdict is a fact.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2021, 06:07:41 PM »
I've seen enough of the criminal justice system to know that putting full faith in it is foolish. I'm not saying that Derek Chauvin is not guilty, but swallowing a verdict hook line and sinker, especially when there is a clear benefit to so many if he's guilty, is nave at best and cruel at worst.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2021, 06:09:25 PM »
The verdict is a fact.
Is this to mean that its existence is a fact, or is this based on your novel definitions of fact and opinion?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2021, 06:12:32 PM »
The verdict is a fact.
I never said otherwise.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2021, 06:12:47 PM »
I've seen enough of the criminal justice system to know that putting full faith in it is foolish. I'm not saying that Derek Chauvin is not guilty, but swallowing a verdict hook line and sinker, especially when there is a clear benefit to so many if he's guilty, is nave at best and cruel at worst.
No one is swallowing anything. Trying to discredit the verdict is self-serving.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2021, 06:15:18 PM »
Is this to mean that its existence is a fact, or is this based on your novel definitions of fact and opinion?
Coming from the guy who won't commit to anything until the outcome is know.  :)
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch