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Guilty?

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #220 on: April 21, 2021, 11:20:47 PM »
What happened to ignoring the wackos?
Hard to ignore millions.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #221 on: April 21, 2021, 11:22:35 PM »
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #222 on: April 22, 2021, 06:22:32 AM »
Well, the original comment said can it be brought to Federal court “at this point.”  So the answer, I think, is no.
You're right, I missed that because it makes no sense in reply to the comment before it speculating what can happen if it ultimately makes it to a federal court
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #223 on: April 22, 2021, 05:40:14 PM »
For those that still don't understand. No the defense does not have to prove anything but you have to counter powerful testimony.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alternate-juror-in-derek-chauvin-trial-says-medical-expert-convinced-her-of-ex-officers-guilt/ar-BB1fWnB4?li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #224 on: April 22, 2021, 06:07:50 PM »
For those that still don't understand. No the defense does not have to prove anything but you have to counter powerful testimony.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alternate-juror-in-derek-chauvin-trial-says-medical-expert-convinced-her-of-ex-officers-guilt/ar-BB1fWnB4?li=BBnb7Kz
I agree with you from a psychological level that the best way to counter certainty is with certainty, but that is not the legal standard.

It's interesting to note that the prosecution only disclosed Tobin's exhibits the night before he testified. This was some of the 5000 items that were disclosed during the trial (not earlier).

While disclosures during the trial are routine, the volume of disclosures in this case (when the defense was basically a one man show) can be taken into account by the appeals court when considering whether Chauvin got a fair trial.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #225 on: April 22, 2021, 06:27:06 PM »
I have no problem with any ruling the appeals court or higher makes.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #226 on: April 28, 2021, 09:34:19 PM »
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #228 on: April 28, 2021, 10:51:26 PM »
That's just crazy.
What's the crazy part?
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #229 on: April 28, 2021, 11:00:25 PM »
What's the crazy part?


That they were going to arrest him after a jury had just found him not guilty. And they were going to make a spectacle out of it rather than working with his lawyer to have him surrender.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #230 on: April 28, 2021, 11:09:51 PM »


That they were going to arrest him after a jury had just found him not guilty. And they were going to make a spectacle out of it rather than working with his lawyer to have him surrender.
The spectacle part agree with. Arresting him on federal charges was a given if found not guilty.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #232 on: May 04, 2021, 09:12:32 AM »
https://washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/3/brandon-mitchell-derek-chauvin-juror-who-attended-/
In a normal case this would be an issue, but not when the guilty verdict was racially biased. welcome to 2021
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #233 on: May 04, 2021, 11:55:56 PM »
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #234 on: May 04, 2021, 11:56:58 PM »
In a normal case this would be an issue, but not when the guilty verdict was racially biased. welcome to 2021
So when evidence is overwhelming that makes it racially biased?
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #235 on: May 05, 2021, 12:08:01 AM »
So when evidence is overwhelming that makes it racially biased?
I actually think he was guilty.  But you would be quite naive to think that the trial wasn't all racist...
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #236 on: May 05, 2021, 12:09:54 AM »
Did he lie to any of the questions? If not it is a nothing burger.
article argued yes

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #237 on: May 05, 2021, 12:10:22 AM »
I actually think he was guilty.  But you would be quite naive to think that the trial wasn't all racist...
Can you explain what you mean by the trial was racist?
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #238 on: May 05, 2021, 12:11:09 AM »
article argued yes
Then we need to wait for the facts.
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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #239 on: May 05, 2021, 12:12:00 AM »
Can you explain what you mean by the trial was racist?
I think there was no way to get a fair trial that was not racially biased.
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