Should police have qualified immunity?

[CountValentine]

Which happens far too often. It’s not an exact science & there’s no way to know the end result. I’ve seen cars cross the median & cause head-on collisions. Innocent people have been killed. It needs to stop.

I agree for routine traffic violations. Until then you can't blame the officer until it is changed.

[TimT]

I agree for routine traffic violations. Until then you can't blame the officer until it is changed.

Many officers don’t even know how to do it properly. A few inches off can cause carnage.

[CountValentine]

Many officers don’t even know how to do it properly. A few inches off can cause carnage.

Many can't use a gun properly either. Until they changed what they can and can't do this will happen from time to time.

[TimT]

I agree for routine traffic violations.

I’m against using it for wanted fugitives too. Watch them from the air.

[yuneeq]

If she got a flat she would pull over on the median. If am ambulance was behind her she would pull over to the medium. All mediums are not as wide as a lane. It was there for her to pull over and she decided not to which cause the officer to engage with the PIT.

If she got a flat it would be more unsafe to continue driving on it. Risk management. If an ambulance was behind her she may pull and drive on the shoulder if necessary but why would she stop there?

[CountValentine]

If an ambulance was behind her she may pull and drive on the shoulder if necessary but why would she stop there?

Because it is the law? You pull over and stop for an ambulance.

[Yehuda57]

Things we can all pretty much agree on:

1) PIT manouvers are dangerous
2) PIT manouvers should not be used for traffic violations
3) The driver exhibited standard signs of following instructions.
4) Whether the shoulder was wide enough to stop is subjective, but a cop will know that many will not pull over on such a shoulder.

Having said all that, even if the cop didn't *technically* break any rules, he clearly didn't exercise even a minimal sense of good judgment, and acted in a needlessly dangerous way.

 In any other field of work, being technically right but being wrong in every logical and sensible way would be grounds for dismissal. For a cop who's job is to protect from harm to put someone's life at risk unnecessarily is not only grounds for dismissal but is deserving of charges.

[yuneeq]

Because it is the law? You pull over and stop for an ambulance.

It's a strange comparison because on the highway, if there's no traffic like in this case, why would she pull to the shoulder? Just change lanes and let the ambulance pass. And if there is traffic, the shoulder is typically used by the ambulance to get through. If she pulls to the shoulder that actually makes it more difficult for the ambulance to get through.

So we're talking about a hypothetical case where the ambulance is driving in the regular lanes through traffic, but does not want to use the shoulder. So you pull to the side while still driving, and the ambulance is on his way.

[CountValentine]

If you do a search many articles come up but with todays date. This happened last year. Why is this coming up now? Was video just released?

[Yehudaa]

If you do a search many articles come up but with todays date. This happened last year. Why is this coming up now? Was video just released?

Idk if the video was released earlier, but I read that she just filed the lawsuit.

[CountValentine]

Idk if the video was released earlier, but I read that she just filed the lawsuit.

Any info on the baby?

[Randomex]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/pit-maneuver-police-deaths/

[Yehudaa]

Any info on the baby?

FWIW, twitter says the mother and baby are okay. And all the news articles quote yet as saying she thought she was going to lose the baby, so presumably she didn't.

[aygart]

It's a strange comparison because on the highway, if there's no traffic like in this case, why would she pull to the shoulder? Just change lanes and let the ambulance pass. And if there is traffic, the shoulder is typically used by the ambulance to get through. If she pulls to the shoulder that actually makes it more difficult for the ambulance to get through.

So we're talking about a hypothetical case where the ambulance is driving in the regular lanes through traffic, but does not want to use the shoulder. So you pull to the side while still driving, and the ambulance is on his way.

This driver was on a highway and using PIT was a use of deadly force. Was a use of deadly force warranted here by any attach of the imagination?

[CountValentine]

This driver was on a highway and using PIT was a use of deadly force. Was a use of deadly force warranted here by any attach of the imagination?

I am confused again. 
Are you saying using PIT is using deadly force?

[Yehuda57]

I am confused again. 
Are you saying using PIT is using deadly force?

Yes, it's well known that it often results in flipped vehicles, vehicles, vehicles careening into traffic, etc.

[yitzgar]

Yes, it's well known that it often results in flipped vehicles, vehicles, vehicles careening into traffic, etc.

At high speeds

[CountValentine]

Yes, it's well known that it often results in flipped vehicles, vehicles, vehicles careening into traffic, etc.

You are in dream world if you think PIT is using deadly force. You couldn't twist a pretzel enough to get to that point.

[Lurker]

You are in dream world if you think PIT is using deadly force. You couldn't twist a pretzel enough to get to that point.

washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/pit-maneuver-police-deaths/

Since 2016 at least 30 people have died, and hundreds have been injured — including some officers — when police used the maneuver to end pursuits, according to an investigation by The Washington Post.

Want to check the percentage of PIT maneuvers resulting in death vs the percentage of cop shootings?

[CountValentine]

washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/pit-maneuver-police-deaths/

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