Should police have qualified immunity?

[Jellybelly]

unions are the impediment to getting rid of bad cops?

That’s how it works with the teachers union

[moko]

That’s how it works with the teachers union

unfortunately, that's how it works with many (most/all) unions nowadays... Some large greedy corporations caused this issue and large, greedy union bosses perpetuate this issue.
My industry is not unionized at all . Based on how other organizations, similar to ours treat their employees (such as $12 per hour pay) , I could unionize my industry pretty fast.

[CountValentine]

Based on how other organizations, similar to ours treat their employees (such as $12 per hour pay) , I could unionize my industry pretty fast.

Unions are a necessary evil.

[zh cohen]

Why can't the "good" cops go to a different insurance company?

Wouldn't the savings to a "good cop" from buying an individual policy be canceled out by the loss of the discount from buying as a group?

[moko]

Unions are a necessary evil.

I work around unions on a daily basis. They're beyond ridiculous.
To the point of reaching behind your back and under your legs to scratch your ear.
They solved a few issues by creating a host of new ones.

[CountValentine]

I work around unions on a daily basis. They're beyond ridiculous.
To the point of reaching behind your back and under your legs to scratch your ear.
They solved a few issues by creating a host of new ones.

If the employers were angels there would be no need for unions. What is so hard to understand?

[aygart]

If the employers were angels there would be no need for unions. What is so hard to understand?

And if the employees were angels?

[CountValentine]

And if the employees were angels?

So sweat shops started because employees were bad apples?
Paying employees dirt was because they were bad apples?
Putting employees lives at great risk was because there was bad apples?
This isn't a case on the chicken and the egg. You have unions because of scumbag employers.
Without unions you have no protection against bad employers. That is just a fact many refuse to accept.

[moko]

If the employers were angels there would be no need for unions. What is so hard to understand?

if you read my previous posts you'd see that it's very easy to understand. Unions are conceptually great. In practice, union bosses are a bunch of scumbags, who, given the opportunity, would become an oppressive CEO we couldn't care less about the employees.

[CountValentine]

In practice, union bosses are a bunch of scumbags, who, given the opportunity, would become an oppressive CEO we couldn't care less about the employees.

Union bosses are no different than CEO's. There are good ones and bad ones. Neither side has a monopoly on either. What you described happens all the time at USPS when an employee goes into management.

I know it is hard for honest and fair employers like yourself and others here to deal with unions. Unfortunately it is the sins of others that caused these problems.

[yuneeq]

So sweat shops started because employees were bad apples?
Paying employees dirt was because they were bad apples?
Putting employees lives at great risk was because there was bad apples?
This isn't a case on the chicken and the egg. You have unions because of scumbag employers.
Without unions you have no protection against bad employers. That is just a fact many refuse to accept.

Back when unions were created they served a good purpose as employees had no protections. But nowadays I feel that both the competitive job marketplace and extensive labor laws takes care of these issues. And don't forget all the welfare that ensures you don't need to job to live.

[CountValentine]

But nowadays I feel that both the competitive job marketplace and extensive labor laws takes care of these issues.

Without unions that would disappear. Employers would would pay the least they can instead of a fair wage. We can't even get a fair minimum wage.

[avromie7]

Without unions that would disappear. Employers would would pay the least they can instead of a fair wage. We can't even get a fair minimum wage.

Why is the least they can not a fair wage? Low level employees don't get paid much more in union jobs vs non union jobs. Most (if not all plus) of the extra wages goes directly to the union.

Due to union rules, a good employee very often is not allowed to get a raise or promotion, so they're even worse off.

[zh cohen]

Employers would would pay the least they can instead of a fair wage.

How do you explain the fact that only 2.3% of workers make minimum wage?

Also, given that only 6.3% of private sector workers are members of unions, what is protecting the other 93% of workers from the doom and gloom you predict?

[CountValentine]

Also, given that only 6.3% of private sector workers are members of unions, what is protecting the other 93% of workers from the doom and gloom you predict?

Unions are unions. It does not matter if they are public or private. Everyone benefits from their gains.

How do you explain the fact that only 2.3% of workers make minimum wage?

Then raising it should have little negative affect then. Oh but wait, how about the millions that make .10, .20 or a few cents more than the minimum wage.

[CountValentine]

Why is the least they can not a fair wage?

WOW!!!

[avromie7]

WOW!!!

How do you define a fair wage?

[moko]

Why is the least they can not a fair wage? Low level employees don't get paid much more in union jobs vs non union jobs.

I can tell you firsthand that many on these forums eat in restaurants where mashgichim make as little as $12 per hour . I can also tell you from experience, when you pay peanuts you get........
If you're comfortable with that standard of kashrus, then so be it. Let the market set the rate.

[CountValentine]

How do you define a fair wage?

It is like porn, you will know it when you see it.
The current minimum wage is not a fair wage.

[avromie7]

I can tell you firsthand that many on these forums eat in restaurants where mashgichim make as little as $12 per hour . I can also tell you from experience, when you pay peanuts you get........
If you're comfortable with that standard of kashrus, then so be it. Let the market set the rate.

That's the fair wage for the mashgiach they're getting.