American Chareidi Resident Of French Hill Is A Christian Missionary

[CountValentine]

im gonna take that as a compliment

thank you

If everyone would take everything I say as a compliment I would be extremely happy. 

[TimT]

From a ethical standpoint what he is doing is wrong.

Is this referring to “if” a Jew would do this ?

[JlmBoi]

I know you would and most other Orthodox Jews would also. I am just pointing out the other perspective.
From a ethical standpoint what he is doing is wrong.

I'm actually not so sure how wrong it is to missionize to adults. Children and other vulnerable populations (the usual targets of such activities) - that's a different story. The point here is that wrong or not, he is very much not wanted, and people are doing whatever they can to get rid of him. Denouncing works if it's doesn't affect you. If it's does then you take action, not just condemn.

[CountValentine]

Is this referring to “if” a Jew would do this ?

It is referring to anyone who would do it. I don't move the goalposts.

[JlmBoi]

Is this referring to “if” a Jew would do this ?

חושד בכשרים

[TimT]

It is referring to anyone who would do it. I don't move the goalposts.

And you won’t find jews doing this.

[JlmBoi]

And you won’t find jews doing this.

Ahem. Not to Christians, but to other Jews? Plenty. For the subjects it's the same טענה. I never understood why there is legislation being pushed to outlaw missionaries. How do you structure that to have more than a thin line between it and for example a מבצע תפילין without discriminating by religion?

[TimT]

Ahem. Not to Christians, but to other Jews?

By putting tefillin on them ?
All jews are one & serving the same creator. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

[TimT]

Why do missionaries love to prey on the vulnerable ?

[Yehuda57]

Ahem. Not to Christians, but to other Jews? Plenty. For the subjects it's the same טענה. I never understood why there is legislation being pushed to outlaw missionaries. How do you structure that to have more than a thin line between it and for example a מבצע תפילין without discriminating by religion?

Totally. There's this Chabad shliach who pretends to be a Red Sox fan even though he is a closet Yankee fan and he's put on Tefillin and learned Torah with so many Jews 'cause of this lie. One family that became completely frum threw Yiddishkeit away when they found out it was all built on a lie.

[JlmBoi]

All jews are one & serving the same creator. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

From your perspective not from tel aviv chiloni peoples perspective, necessarily. That's why I'm saying it's seems impossible to make such legislation one sided. Totally unconnected from the deception.

[TimT]

What if a Jew pretend to be a Christian? No one would care.

Nobody would care if he was trying to trick practicing Christians into converting to jews ? If his kids were in Christian schools talking to the children about Judaism trying to interest them ? Nobody would care ? That says a lot

[JlmBoi]

Why do missionaries love to prey on the vulnerable ?

Easier to get the job done.

[Yehuda57]

From your perspective not from tel aviv chiloni peoples perspective, necessarily. That's why I'm saying it's seems impossible to make such legislation one sided. Totally unconnected from the deception.

If you can't figure out why presenting yourself as a frum Jew and offering others the opportunity to do mitzvos is entirely different to assuming a false identity to trick someone into doing something they wouldn't if you hadn't lied, I can't help you.

ETA: It's like asking how you can outlaw fraud without outlawing marketing.

[JlmBoi]

If you can't figure out why presenting yourself as a frum Jew and offering others the opportunity to do mitzvos is entirely different to assuming a false identity to trick someone into doing something they wouldn't if you hadn't lied, I can't help you.

ETA: It's like asking how you can outlaw fraud without outlawing marketing.

I fully understand, but that's based on my belief that a Jew is a Jew. I'm not comparing it to trickery. I'm comparing it to regular missionary activity from a purely secular legal point of view.

[CountValentine]

And you won’t find jews doing this.

Because we all know Jews would not do this or that. 
All humans are capable and have done worse.

[CountValentine]

Why do missionaries love to prey on the vulnerable ?

Better question would be why do religions prey on the vulnerable?

[CountValentine]

All jews are one & serving the same creator.

Are you speaking for all Jews?

[JlmBoi]

Better question would be why do religions prey on the vulnerable?

Example of Judaism preying on the vulnerable? I think not. Definitely not widely accepted or condoned. Are Christian missionaries methods ever publicly scrutinized within the religion?

[Yehuda57]

I fully understand, but that's based on my belief that a Jew is a Jew. I'm not comparing it to trickery. I'm comparing it to regular missionary activity from a purely secular legal point of view.

You're mixing things up. We were speaking about defrauding and you are including missionizing.

Ahem. Not to Christians, but to other Jews? Plenty. For the subjects it's the same טענה.

This is just false. It's not the same thing. Then you go on to an entirely different thing:

 I never understood why there is legislation being pushed to outlaw missionaries. How do you structure that to have more than a thin line between it and for example a מבצע תפילין without discriminating by religion?

If you have Christians presenting themselves as Christain, offering people the chance to do Christian activities, that would be more in line with mivtza Tefillin (from a secular standpoint. But missionaries who are presenting themselves as Jews is the current discussion, and missionary activities are usually presenting Christain beliefs as true Jewish beliefs, which is easily distinguishable from mivtza Tefillin, and easily legislated.