American Chareidi Resident Of French Hill Is A Christian Missionary

[Kobe Bryant]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1967621/shock-in-jerusalem-american-chareidi-resident-of-french-hill-is-a-christian-missionary-was-cohen-and-sofer-stam.html

[Kobe Bryant]

What happens to all the S”tam He wrote, Kidushin he officiated, and Pidyon Hben he performed?

[mordechain]

If he is eino Yehudi, the Stam are possul. He would obviously not be a kohen, so piston haben would not have been done.
The kiddushin will most likely not be impacted at all.

[Kobe Bryant]

https://twitter.com/AviRabina/status/1386229524002611206

[zh cohen]

The kiddushin will most likely not be impacted at all.

If he was one of the eidei kiddushin, it would be invalid.

[JACKBLUE]

Scary.

[mordechain]

If he was one of the eidei kiddushin, it would be invalid.

The mesader kiddushin is not typically an eid.
Even so, eidim that would have observed the couple entering yichud would establish kiddushin.

[skyguy918]

My shul has a sefer torah written by a sofer who went off the derech. It wasn't known exactly when though, and where he was holding when he wrote the sefer torah. They asked a shaila by the major poskim in EY (don't remember offhand precisely who) and the psak was that as long as he wasn't mechalel shabbos bfarhesya while he was in the process of writing, he had a chezkas kashrus, and the sefer torah is kosher.

[Mordyk]

Sick story. Our strength of accepting everyone and being nice to everyone back fires too often

[mordechain]

My shul has a sefer torah written by a sofer who went off the derech. It wasn't known exactly when though, and where he was holding when he wrote the sefer torah. They asked a shaila by the major poskim in EY (don't remember offhand precisely who) and the peak was that as long as he wasn't mechalel shabbos bfarhesya while he was in the process of writing, he had a chezkas kashrus, and the sefer torah is kosher.

But here the question is if he is a Yehudi to begin with

[skyguy918]

But here the question is if he is a Yehudi to begin with

Wasnt applying one to the other, just an interesting maase in a similar vein.

[CountValentine]

...being nice to everyone...

I guess some didn't get the memo. 

[YitzyS]

Another thing that comes to mind, although not related closely at all, is this, excerpted from here:


A responsum of Rav Moshe Feinstein (Iggeros Moshe, E.H. 1:96) concerning the case of a composer of popular religious songs who became known as a sinner.[5]  The question arose whether it was permissible to sing the songs he composed while he was still reputed to be a God-fearing, upstanding Jew, and, if so, whether it was permissible to also sing the songs composed after he was determined to act sinfully.  Rav Moshe ruled that singing any of this musician’s songs is permissible, for several reasons.

[5] Rav Moshe writes that this musician “brings unmarried men and unmarried women together and plays before them.”  Presumably, this responsum, which was written in 1959, refers to Shlomo Carlebach.

[zh cohen]

The mesader kiddushin is not typically an eid.

Right, but if he was asked to be a mesader kiddushin, I imagine it's likely that he was also asked to be an eid on other occasions.

Even so, eidim that would have observed the couple entering yichud would establish kiddushin.

At weddings I've been to they often announce that the eidim are to the exclusion of all others to avoid the shayla that comes up if relatives join in the eidus

[mordechain]

Right, but if he was asked to be a mesader kiddushin, I imagine it's likely that he was also asked to be an eid on other occasions.

At weddings I've been to they often announce that the eidim are to the exclusion of all others to avoid the shayla that comes up if relatives join in the eidus

Even eidim that would later observe them entering their home together could potentially suffice.

[yelped]

At weddings I've been to they often announce that the eidim are to the exclusion of all others to avoid the shayla that comes up if relatives join in the eidus

To me, sounds like a Chumra (yeseira) that leads to a michshol.

[PlatinumGuy]

תפנית בהעלילה

‏נעשה קצת סדר.

משפחה נורא תמהונית שלא התערבבה בכלל עם אנשים מהקהילה,
*אב המשפחה מעולם לא התפלל באחד מבתי הכנסיות בשכונה,*
כאשר ניסו להתחבר איתם הם תמיד דחו.

הילדים לומדים במוסדות בירושלים,
אך לא יצרו חברים.

כשהאמא חלתה השכונה התגייסה לעזור להם עם ארוחת חמות.‏

כשהיא נפטרה נאסף כסף עבורם.

הוא לא רב,
הוא מדריך כושר (לדעתי בימק"א) אני לא מכיר אדם שקנה ממנו ספרי סת"ם.

הם משפחה נוצרית שבטוחים שהמשיח יגיע מהחרדים ולכן ניסו להיות חרדים,
אבל לא היו חלק מהקהילה, ובשום שלב לא ניסו להשפיע על אף אחד.

*תמהונים*

אהא ואני לא מתחרט על האוכל שהכנו עבורם‏ ‎לא מסיונר.

לא עשו תפילות המוניות אבל השם עזר.

הוא לא השתתף בשום מניין.

הוא לא היה מסיונר

[aygart]

To me, sounds like a Chumra (yeseira) that leads to a michshol.

Tell that to the ktzois

[PlatinumGuy]

https://twitter.com/eli_bitan/status/1386568475284496384

[TimT]

Does the dude have a last name ?