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I would like a list of potential pitfalls. This is not the Shulchan Aruch here, but to raise awareness, so people will know to look into it, or ask their rabbi.
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I don't see how this is such a hard Psak.

There are different ways of understanding Sefiras HaOmer and therefore there are different Minhagim that come out of these different understandings.

1) The Talmidim died until 33 or 34. That being so, one must wait to get a haircut/shave until Lag BaOmer by day or (Sefardim) 34 by day.

2) The Talmidim died 33 days, from Pesach until Shavuos. That being so, one must keep 33 days of Aveilus and one can be Miktzas HaYom KiKulo. Some therefore keep from Pesach til Lag BaOmer and some keep from Rosh Chodesh til Shavuos (but one can't burn the candle at both ends - R"CH til Lag B"O).

According to R' YYF, if one is getting a haircut/shave on Erev Shabbos, he has already used his MH"K up and therefore when Lag B"O comes he must wait until the day ends to get his full 33 days. It's not the biggest Chiddush and very understandable.
May one get married on Friday? No. Because pashtus MH”K isn’t a factor here, it’s a heter specific for כבוד שבת.

Additionally, its something not mentioned by all the achronim, you’d think we’d hear about it, after all the Remah goes second half, and he’s the one introducing the heter.

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May one get married on Friday? No. Because pashtus MH”K isn’t a factor here, it’s a heter specific for כבוד שבת.
Ok. Does it mean that you still were in Aveilus the whole friday? I'm not following you.
Additionally, its something not mentioned by all the achronim, you’d think we’d hear about it, after all the Remah goes second half, and he’s the one introducing the heter.
Back then no one shaved. If you got a haircut on Erev Shabbos you wouldn't get another one on Sunday.
Its only nowadays where one can be a religious Jew and still shave every day does the Shaila come up.

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Ok. Does it mean that you still were in Aveilus the whole friday? I'm not following you.
Yes in a way. You were not allowed to dance and listen to music.
Back then no one shaved. If you got a haircut on Erev Shabbos you wouldn't get another one on Sunday.
Its only nowadays where one can be a religious Jew and still shave every day does the Shaila come up.
If you used up the miktzas hayom you shouldn't be able to do anything different on Sunday. Haircuts aren't the only aspect of the Aveilus.

Additionally, the achronim talk about other cases where one has a heter to take a haircut. A baal bris for example. Does anyone say he doesn't get heterim for Lag because he used up a day? I don't believe so.

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Back then no one shaved.
Its only nowadays where one can be a religious Jew and still shave every day does the Shaila come up.

Source? See the Darkei Moshe (Rema) below clearly otherwise!

Additionally many say you are allowed on Lag B’Omer at night without using miktzas hayom. In fact most of klal yisroel is meikel as they go to bonfires with music and dancing.
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Additionally many say you are allowed on Lag B’Omer at night without using miktzas hayom. In fact most of klal yisroel is meikel as they go to bonfires with music and dancing.
That’s because they are using miktzas “hayom” from the night, iirc

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That’s because they are using miktzas “hayom” from the night, iirc

Some say that but others say that since we don’t say tachnun already by the mincha before, it’s because the simcha of the day already starts at night. Just like any yom tov which starts at night we don’t say tachnun mincha before.

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Some say that but others say that since we don’t say tachnun already by the mincha before, it’s because the simcha of the day already starts at night. Just like any yom tov which starts at night we don’t say tachnun mincha before.
Who are you quoting? And why does that mean mikzas hayom isn’t being utilized.

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Who are you quoting? And why does that mean mikzas hayom isn’t being utilized.

Shulchan Aruch HaRav and others. See below from שו”ע הרב.
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