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In order to assist foreigners entering Israel the Israeli immigration authority has opened the email to assist with applications harigim-natbag@piba.gov.il


To locate missing relatives:

Ezer Metzion hotline: 036144660
They have reps on the ground at all of the hospitals.

 Zaka form to locate missing relatives
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDymRMlF7HeFilw0k1kk3mE1phFR1d4qAvSVWGmS_D5Ekaxw/viewform


Nahriya Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255141
Nahriya Hospital: 049850505
(12 injured)

Ziv (Tzefat) hospital: 046828838
Ziv Emergency Hotline: 1255161
(41 patients, of which 14 in serious condition, and some already released)

Poriyah Hospital: 046652211
Poriyah Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255162
(27 patients)

Rambam Hospital in Haifa (still receiving patients transferred from Ziv)

(7 patients, of which 4 in serious condition)

Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusiam

Police Meron HQ - 110

Missing people hotline *1201

"Due to the many people in the United States that are frantically trying to contact loved ones who were in Meron and have been unable to locate them, Misaskim has opened their command center to try and assist people." Please call 718-854-4548 ONLY if you are missing an immediate family member and need assistance.
 



Link to Zaka form to locate missing relatives
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDymRMlF7HeFilw0k1kk3mE1phFR1d4qAvSVWGmS_D5Ekaxw/viewform



There is intermittent cell service reception around Meron. Many people are safe but stranded as roads are closed. 30 kids are in a police holding facility in search of family members.

𝐈𝐧 𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐌𝐢𝐫𝐨𝐧, 𝐄𝐌𝐀 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐮𝐩 𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐮𝐚𝐥  𝐏𝐓𝐒𝐃 𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐲 𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝𝐲!

Anyone who is emotionally affected by this tragedy can sign up for our service at EMA Care, and we can help you get through this trauma.
This service is entirely voluntary and therefore 𝐅𝐑𝐄𝐄. Sessions will be completely anonymous.

𝐀𝐧𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐒𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐮𝐩 𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐄 - https://lnkd.in/d9Bp8Jw
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2021, 08:35:13 PM »
רק שנבין את הפרופורציות של האירוע הזה תוצאות של אסונות אזרחיים:

‏אסון האוטובוס בכרמל - 38 הרוגים

‏אסון אוטובוס התיירים - 24 הרוגים

‏אסון אולמי ורסאי - 23 הרוגים

‏אסון הבונים - 22 הרוגים

‏אסון קריסת החניון - 6 הרוגים

‏אסון גשר המכביה - 4 הרוגים

‏אסון פסטיבל ערד - 3 הרוגים


This is larger.
This from a reliable source?

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2021, 08:38:38 PM »
This from a reliable source?
Yes. MDA officially reported 38. Channel 13 reports another 6 in hospitals.

ETA - Ziv Hospital confirmed 6 dead in hospital Rachmna Litzlan.

« Last Edit: April 29, 2021, 08:45:41 PM by PlatinumGuy »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2021, 08:41:29 PM »
If you look at the videos, there is a long sloping ramp stuffed with people, and it ends with a staircase going down. The police blocked off the bottom of the staircase with metal panel walls, causing the ramp  to get overstuffed. Eventually they ripped open the metal walls (which people are mistaking for bleachers), but it was too late. Too many people already fell down by the stairs and many fell on top of them.
The million dollar question is if the police blockage was before the stampede and caused it, or a result of the stampede and an attempt to resolve it (whether it helped or made it worse). It's very possible it's the police's fault, but it's also true that people jump to blame  them.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2021, 08:46:23 PM »
My contact that is on scene with זק״א is telling me there 45 confirmed dead
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2021, 08:46:24 PM »
I'm sure that many people that got a 5 year ban are recalculating

I'm also sure that the result wasn't the police intention, but at the time of a crisis you look at the organizers, poor planning
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2021, 08:47:11 PM »
To locate missing relatives:

Ezer Metzion hotline: 036144660

Nahriya Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255141
Nahriya Hospital: 049850505
(12 injured)

Ziv (Tzefat) hospital: 046828838
Ziv Emergency Hotline: 1255161
(43 injured, of which 14 in serious condition)

Poriyah Hospital: 046652211

Rambam Hospital in Haifa (still receiving patients transferred from Ziv)

(23-28 injured, of which 4 in serious condition)

Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusiam

Police Meron HQ - 110

Missing people hotline *1201


There is intermittent cell service reception around the Meron.

At least 44 dead, R"L. 126 ambulances, 42 critical care ambulances, 2 MDA helicopters and 3 Army helicopters.

thank you for this info... we are looking for family as well as other people we know .. will pass this along

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2021, 08:48:59 PM »
The million dollar question is if the police blockage was before the stampede and caused it, or a result of the stampede and an attempt to resolve it (whether it helped or made it worse). It's very possible it's the police's fault, but it's also true that people jump to blame  them.
I really don’t think now is the time to play the blame game that says let’s just all pray that all in the hospital to come out healthy and safe
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2021, 08:50:10 PM »
To locate missing relatives:

Ezer Metzion hotline: 036144660

Nahriya Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255141
Nahriya Hospital: 049850505
(24 injured)

Ziv (Tzefat) hospital: 046828838
Ziv Emergency Hotline: 1255161
(43 injured, of which 14 in serious condition)

Poriyah Hospital: 046652211

Rambam Hospital in Haifa (still receiving patients transferred from Ziv)

(23-28 injured, of which 4 in serious condition)

Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusiam

Police Meron HQ - 110

Missing people hotline *1201


There is intermittent cell service reception around the Meron.

At least 44 dead, R"L. 126 ambulances, 42 critical care ambulances, 2 MDA helicopters and 3 Army helicopters.
There are 30 kids safe in a Meron holding room for missing kids.

Neftarim have not all been identified yet.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2021, 08:50:57 PM »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2021, 08:51:18 PM »
About a hundred years ago on L"B an exact same tragedy happened there in Meron. Interesting sad fact.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2021, 08:51:39 PM »
thank you for this info... we are looking for family as well as other people we know .. will pass this along
Post here if we can help. The most important thing to remember is there are tens of thousands of people who are perfectly safe but can't communicate because people can't leave Meron and cell networks are down.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2021, 08:52:22 PM »
For context 38 is almost 4 minyonim
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2021, 08:56:02 PM »
The million dollar question is if the police blockage was before the stampede and caused it, or a result of the stampede and an attempt to resolve it (whether it helped or made it worse). It's very possible it's the police's fault, but it's also true that people jump to blame  them.

I’m not sure the police are to blame, but it’s pretty clear to me from the videos that the walls were the cause of it. You have a large sloping path ending in stairs with a wall at the end. Either the path should be blocked off from both sides so no one can access or no walls at all. There’s no reason to ever put at a wall just in that spot. It could be they had the path completely walled off from all sides but people found a way in without a way out. That would be my guess, judging by the fact that the walls looked to be more permanent than a simple barricade. It’s also clear that the police ripped out the walls once they realized how bad it was.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2021, 08:56:44 PM »
I don't know if this is relevant to this situation,but it came to mind and I thought I'd share -

The אש קודש said (in the Warsaw ghetto) about the פורים-כיפורים connection, that just as on Yom Kippur you have to be serious whether you are "in the mood" or not, on Purim you have to be happy whether you want to or not.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2021, 09:01:59 PM »
Wiki for potentially necessary information.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2021, 09:07:33 PM »
About a hundred years ago on L"B an exact same tragedy happened there in Meron. Interesting sad fact.
From this week's ami. Pretty eerie.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2021, 09:07:50 PM »

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2021, 09:12:29 PM »
I’m not sure the police are to blame, but it’s pretty clear to me from the videos that the walls were the cause of it. You have a large sloping path ending in stairs with a wall at the end. Either the path should be blocked off from both sides so no one can access or no walls at all. There’s no reason to ever put at a wall just in that spot. It could be they had the path completely walled off from all sides but people found a way in without a way out. That would be my guess, judging by the fact that the walls looked to be more permanent than a simple barricade. It’s also clear that the police ripped out the walls once they realized how bad it was.
Just spoke to someone that was at the spot when it happened, he was almost killed, he says it was by the path that leads out from toldos ahron to the back of the tzion (under the porch across from the hatzalah shed/room). It was blocked off by police but he's not sure if it was closed all along or they closed it to prevent more people from going to toldos ahron hadlaka.
Either way, it was a deadly decision.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2021, 09:14:39 PM »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
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