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In order to assist foreigners entering Israel the Israeli immigration authority has opened the email to assist with applications harigim-natbag@piba.gov.il


To locate missing relatives:

Ezer Metzion hotline: 036144660
They have reps on the ground at all of the hospitals.

 Zaka form to locate missing relatives
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDymRMlF7HeFilw0k1kk3mE1phFR1d4qAvSVWGmS_D5Ekaxw/viewform


Nahriya Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255141
Nahriya Hospital: 049850505
(12 injured)

Ziv (Tzefat) hospital: 046828838
Ziv Emergency Hotline: 1255161
(41 patients, of which 14 in serious condition, and some already released)

Poriyah Hospital: 046652211
Poriyah Hospital Emergency Hotline: 1255162
(27 patients)

Rambam Hospital in Haifa (still receiving patients transferred from Ziv)

(7 patients, of which 4 in serious condition)

Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusiam

Police Meron HQ - 110

Missing people hotline *1201

"Due to the many people in the United States that are frantically trying to contact loved ones who were in Meron and have been unable to locate them, Misaskim has opened their command center to try and assist people." Please call 718-854-4548 ONLY if you are missing an immediate family member and need assistance.
 



Link to Zaka form to locate missing relatives
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDymRMlF7HeFilw0k1kk3mE1phFR1d4qAvSVWGmS_D5Ekaxw/viewform



There is intermittent cell service reception around Meron. Many people are safe but stranded as roads are closed. 30 kids are in a police holding facility in search of family members.

𝐈𝐧 𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐌𝐢𝐫𝐨𝐧, 𝐄𝐌𝐀 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐮𝐩 𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐮𝐚𝐥  𝐏𝐓𝐒𝐃 𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐲 𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝𝐲!

Anyone who is emotionally affected by this tragedy can sign up for our service at EMA Care, and we can help you get through this trauma.
This service is entirely voluntary and therefore 𝐅𝐑𝐄𝐄. Sessions will be completely anonymous.

𝐀𝐧𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐒𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐮𝐩 𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐄 - https://lnkd.in/d9Bp8Jw
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #440 on: May 02, 2021, 11:34:43 AM »
The barricade is still there, connected at the side, clearly ripped apart under the pressure. No need for videos.

Post in appropriate thread please with pics/videos
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #441 on: May 02, 2021, 11:58:40 AM »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #442 on: May 02, 2021, 12:10:48 PM »
דוברות יכ"ל:

בהמשך לדיווח על הנעדר איכט חיים יצחק, כבן 39, שנעלמו עקבותיו בליל ל"ג בעומר (29.4.2021) מאזור הר מירון,

הנ"ל אותר ברוך ה' כשהוא בריא ושלם.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #443 on: May 02, 2021, 12:11:11 PM »
The barricade is still there, connected at the side, clearly ripped apart under the pressure. No need for videos.
Baloney
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #445 on: May 02, 2021, 12:43:18 PM »
Baloney
I desperately hope you're right.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #448 on: May 02, 2021, 01:59:44 PM »
Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi David Lau has told Army Radio that in the wake of the Meron tragedy, management of the site must be formally determined.

“The site needs to be handled differently. What is happening at the moment does not respect the place or human life. The state is obligated to take responsibility for it.”


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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #450 on: May 02, 2021, 02:42:12 PM »
Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi David Lau has told Army Radio that in the wake of the Meron tragedy, management of the site must be formally determined.

“The site needs to be handled differently. What is happening at the moment does not respect the place or human life. The state is obligated to take responsibility for it.”
Exactly.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #451 on: May 02, 2021, 02:43:54 PM »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #452 on: May 02, 2021, 02:50:13 PM »
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #455 on: May 02, 2021, 03:49:22 PM »
Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi David Lau has told Army Radio that in the wake of the Meron tragedy, management of the site must be formally determined.

“The site needs to be handled differently. What is happening at the moment does not respect the place or human life. The state is obligated to take responsibility for it.”

The huge fear is that the State will act like a bull in a china shop.

The talk all across the public media is about expropriating Meron from the הקדשות (which themselves are in dispute). That is a wrong approach.

They have to work with the הקדשות and/or communities that currently run the event, assuring public safety. I am sure there can be cooperation, as long as it's not viewed as expropriation and/or coercion.
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #456 on: May 02, 2021, 04:00:10 PM »
The huge fear is that the State will act like a bull in a china shop.

The talk all across the public media is about expropriating Meron from the הקדשות (which themselves are in dispute). That is a wrong approach.

They have to work with the הקדשות and/or communities that currently run the event, assuring public safety. I am sure there can be cooperation, as long as it's not viewed as expropriation and/or coercion.

Perhaps this was possible before the tragedy, I feel the only way going forward is either the state takes over and reopens after making it safe, or the control remains similar and the admission is limited and strongly enforced.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #457 on: May 02, 2021, 04:12:45 PM »
The huge fear is that the State will act like a bull in a china shop.

The talk all across the public media is about expropriating Meron from the הקדשות (which themselves are in dispute). That is a wrong approach.

They have to work with the הקדשות and/or communities that currently run the event, assuring public safety. I am sure there can be cooperation, as long as it's not viewed as expropriation and/or coercion.

I'm totally for expropriation.

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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #458 on: May 02, 2021, 04:24:56 PM »
Perhaps this was possible before the tragedy, I feel the only way going forward is either the state takes over and reopens after making it safe, or the control remains similar and the admission is limited and strongly enforced.

- 0.5

There is a clear distinction between Meron vs the כותל המערבי. Meron hasn't been expropriated for any state ceremonies, and it should stay that way. It has been under the control of הקדשות before the establishment of the state, and that shouldn't change. להבדיל the State doesn't interfere mostly with the Muslim Waqf, they shouldn't interfere here either. They could insist that things should be done safely, but expropriation would be almost tantamount to declaring another front in the war against Yiddishkeit.

I have no doubt in my mind, that even the four fighting factions over control, could unanimously agree to implement safety measures. The State can control the perimeter and say: if you guys do a decent job inside, we stay outside and allow access. If you can't make it safe inside (and we're willing to help and work with you, and acknowledge that we can't control the crowd size, but we could control the crowd flow we will just block off the perimeter to make in inaccessible).
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Re: Tragedy In Meron!
« Reply #459 on: May 02, 2021, 04:30:45 PM »
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There is a clear distinction between Meron vs the כותל המערבי. Meron hasn't been expropriated for any state ceremonies, and it should stay that way. It has been under the control of הקדשות before the establishment of the state, and that shouldn't change. להבדיל the State doesn't interfere mostly with the Muslim Waqf, they shouldn't interfere here either. They could insist that things should be done safely, but expropriation would be almost tantamount to declaring another front in the war against Yiddishkeit.

I have no doubt in my mind, that even the four fighting factions over control, could unanimously agree to implement safety measures. The State can control the perimeter and say: if you guys do a decent job inside, we stay outside and allow access. If you can't make it safe inside (and we're willing to help and work with you, and acknowledge that we can't control the crowd size, but we could control the crowd flow we will just block off the perimeter to make in inaccessible.

I think we need to make a distinction with what you want to happen and will actually happen. The factions remaining in control and things go back to normal is nothing more than wishful thinking. That ship has sailed Thursday night.